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		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="4">
			<Utterance genid="5" ref="-1" time="11:12:02" date="28/11/2007" oldid="4" color="">hi all</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="6" ref="-1" time="11:12:18" date="28/11/2007" oldid="5" color="">let me remind you first of all that this discussion will be in english</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="7">
			<Utterance genid="8" ref="6" time="11:13:44" date="28/11/2007" oldid="6" color="">right and no emoticons :p</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="9">
			<Utterance genid="10" ref="-1" time="11:14:05" date="28/11/2007" oldid="7" color="">very well</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="11">
			<Utterance genid="12" ref="-1" time="11:14:25" date="28/11/2007" oldid="8" color="">let's wait for (#user0#) as well</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="13" ref="-1" time="11:14:35" date="28/11/2007" oldid="9" color="">he's having a little technical difficulty</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="15">
			<Utterance genid="16" ref="-1" time="11:19:22" date="28/11/2007" oldid="11" color="">welcome (#user0#)</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="17" ref="6" time="11:19:53" date="28/11/2007" oldid="12" color="">please keep the previous comments in mind</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="18" ref="-1" time="11:20:32" date="28/11/2007" oldid="13" color="">does everybody see everybody ?</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="19" ref="-1" time="11:20:41" date="28/11/2007" oldid="14" color="">and everybody can write ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="20">
			<Utterance genid="21" ref="-1" time="11:21:00" date="28/11/2007" oldid="15" color="">can see, can write</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="22">
			<Utterance genid="23" ref="-1" time="11:21:06" date="28/11/2007" oldid="16" color="">me too</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="24">
			<Utterance genid="25" ref="-1" time="11:21:33" date="28/11/2007" oldid="17" color="">hello guys</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="26" ref="-1" time="11:21:58" date="28/11/2007" oldid="18" color="">sorry for late but I think the connection is pretty bad</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="27">
			<Utterance genid="28" ref="-1" time="11:22:13" date="28/11/2007" oldid="19" color="">ok (#user0#)</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="29" ref="-1" time="11:22:23" date="28/11/2007" oldid="20" color="">please read the previous comments</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="30" ref="6" time="11:22:47" date="28/11/2007" oldid="21" color="">meaning this</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="31">
			<Utterance genid="32" ref="-1" time="11:23:15" date="28/11/2007" oldid="22" color="">yeap. that's fine with everybody I think</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="33">
			<Utterance genid="34" ref="-1" time="11:23:20" date="28/11/2007" oldid="23" color="">ok</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="35" ref="-1" time="11:23:35" date="28/11/2007" oldid="24" color="">let me start then by saying how we will do this</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="36" ref="-1" time="11:23:53" date="28/11/2007" oldid="25" color="">we'll start first of all with argumenting each of our subjects</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="37" ref="-1" time="11:24:01" date="28/11/2007" oldid="26" color="">which I now ask you to mention</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="38" ref="-1" time="11:24:12" date="28/11/2007" oldid="27" color="">so, I will be argueing FORUMS</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="39">
			<Utterance genid="40" ref="-1" time="11:24:36" date="28/11/2007" oldid="28" color="">I will for chatting &amp; chatts</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="41">
			<Utterance genid="42" ref="-1" time="11:24:36" date="28/11/2007" oldid="29" color="">i have the best of all WIKI</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="43">
			<Utterance genid="44" ref="-1" time="11:24:40" date="28/11/2007" oldid="30" color="">I sustain BLOGS</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="45">
			<Utterance genid="46" ref="-1" time="11:24:48" date="28/11/2007" oldid="31" color="">ok</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="47">
			<Utterance genid="48" ref="-1" time="11:25:06" date="28/11/2007" oldid="32" color="">who's first?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="49">
			<Utterance genid="50" ref="-1" time="11:25:22" date="28/11/2007" oldid="33" color="">after this topic is done, we'll discuss about how to integrate all of these possibilities</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="51" ref="-1" time="11:25:31" date="28/11/2007" oldid="34" color="">ok ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="52">
			<Utterance genid="53" ref="-1" time="11:25:38" date="28/11/2007" oldid="35" color="">ok</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="54">
			<Utterance genid="55" ref="-1" time="11:25:38" date="28/11/2007" oldid="36" color="">does everybody agree ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="56">
			<Utterance genid="57" ref="-1" time="11:25:55" date="28/11/2007" oldid="37" color="">sounds good</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="58">
			<Utterance genid="59" ref="-1" time="11:26:00" date="28/11/2007" oldid="38" color="">very well</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="60">
			<Utterance genid="61" ref="-1" time="11:26:06" date="28/11/2007" oldid="39" color="">ok</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="62">
			<Utterance genid="63" ref="-1" time="11:26:12" date="28/11/2007" oldid="40" color="">it's very good by me</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="64">
			<Utterance genid="65" ref="36" time="11:26:26" date="28/11/2007" oldid="41" color="">let's start with this then</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="66">
			<Utterance genid="67" ref="-1" time="11:26:45" date="28/11/2007" oldid="42" color="">go ahead (#user2#)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="68">
			<Utterance genid="69" ref="-1" time="11:27:00" date="28/11/2007" oldid="43" color="">if you don't mind, I will present the main advantages of forums</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="70">
			<Utterance genid="71" ref="-1" time="11:27:08" date="28/11/2007" oldid="44" color="">please do</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="72">
			<Utterance genid="73" ref="-1" time="11:27:22" date="28/11/2007" oldid="45" color="">then everybody can argue my arguments</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="74" ref="-1" time="11:27:32" date="28/11/2007" oldid="46" color="">and then the same for everybody</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="75" ref="-1" time="11:27:47" date="28/11/2007" oldid="47" color="">so, the main points about FORUMS are:</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="76" ref="-1" time="11:27:55" date="28/11/2007" oldid="48" color="">1.</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="77" ref="-1" time="11:28:30" date="28/11/2007" oldid="49" color="">by using forums, you get a list of emails (required for receiving confirmation of your account being created )</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="78" ref="-1" time="11:28:56" date="28/11/2007" oldid="50" color="">you can use this list of emails to send newsletters or other information of interest to you</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="79" ref="-1" time="11:29:06" date="28/11/2007" oldid="51" color="">and it will most likely not be treated as spam</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="80" ref="-1" time="11:29:28" date="28/11/2007" oldid="52" color="">beacause the users chose willingly to create an account on the forum</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="81" ref="-1" time="11:29:30" date="28/11/2007" oldid="53" color="">2.</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="82" ref="-1" time="11:29:54" date="28/11/2007" oldid="54" color="">you can personally earn a lot of knowledge</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="83" ref="-1" time="11:30:07" date="28/11/2007" oldid="55" color="">from people posting on the different topics of the forum</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="84" ref="-1" time="11:30:24" date="28/11/2007" oldid="56" color="">information is organized in topics</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="85" ref="-1" time="11:30:48" date="28/11/2007" oldid="57" color="">and because of that information is much better structured</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="86" ref="-1" time="11:30:49" date="28/11/2007" oldid="58" color="">3.</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="87" ref="-1" time="11:30:58" date="28/11/2007" oldid="59" color="">the information is persistent</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="88" ref="-1" time="11:31:09" date="28/11/2007" oldid="60" color="">you can read again this information at any time</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="89" ref="-1" time="11:31:16" date="28/11/2007" oldid="61" color="">and everybody else can do the same</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="90" ref="-1" time="11:31:25" date="28/11/2007" oldid="62" color="">4.</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="91" ref="-1" time="11:31:46" date="28/11/2007" oldid="63" color="">the discussions are not dome in real-time</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="92" ref="-1" time="11:32:04" date="28/11/2007" oldid="64" color="">that makes for better quality of the response</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="93" ref="-1" time="11:32:25" date="28/11/2007" oldid="65" color="">responders have time to think about what they are going to say</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="94" ref="-1" time="11:32:34" date="28/11/2007" oldid="66" color="">5.</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="95" ref="-1" time="11:32:41" date="28/11/2007" oldid="67" color="">you earn credibility</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="96" ref="-1" time="11:33:18" date="28/11/2007" oldid="68" color="">because all the users accessing your forum will know you as an expert or at least player in that topic</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="97" ref="-1" time="11:33:46" date="28/11/2007" oldid="69" color="">that gives you an advantage that you can use to sell your own related products or services</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="98" ref="-1" time="11:33:55" date="28/11/2007" oldid="70" color="">---------------------------------</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="99" ref="-1" time="11:34:01" date="28/11/2007" oldid="71" color="">what are your comments ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="100">
			<Utterance genid="101" ref="-1" time="11:34:12" date="28/11/2007" oldid="72" color="">you are well prepared</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="102">
			<Utterance genid="103" ref="-1" time="11:34:44" date="28/11/2007" oldid="73" color="">I believe forums do have one major disadvantage</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="104">
			<Utterance genid="105" ref="103" time="11:35:04" date="28/11/2007" oldid="74" color="">which is that /</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="106" ref="-1" time="11:35:07" date="28/11/2007" oldid="75" color="">?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="107">
			<Utterance genid="108" ref="-1" time="11:35:09" date="28/11/2007" oldid="76" color="">There can be a huge amount of information that amasses</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="109">
			<Utterance genid="110" ref="-1" time="11:35:27" date="28/11/2007" oldid="77" color="">right</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="111">
			<Utterance genid="112" ref="-1" time="11:35:30" date="28/11/2007" oldid="78" color="">and going through XX pages of posts in order to find what you look for</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="113" ref="-1" time="11:35:34" date="28/11/2007" oldid="79" color="">is simply too much</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="114" ref="-1" time="11:35:44" date="28/11/2007" oldid="80" color="">there is a lot of redundant information and redundant questions</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="115">
			<Utterance genid="116" ref="108" time="11:35:46" date="28/11/2007" oldid="81" color="">that is true</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="117">
			<Utterance genid="118" ref="-1" time="11:36:01" date="28/11/2007" oldid="82" color="">in order to avoid this you need moderating and that requires resources</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="119">
			<Utterance genid="120" ref="-1" time="11:36:01" date="28/11/2007" oldid="83" color="">when forums become big things tend to vanish into the archives and get lost</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="121">
			<Utterance genid="122" ref="-1" time="11:36:11" date="28/11/2007" oldid="84" color="">but aren't encyclopedias the most comprehensive places to get information ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="123">
			<Utterance genid="124" ref="-1" time="11:36:13" date="28/11/2007" oldid="85" color="">also the forums are not very interactive</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="125">
			<Utterance genid="126" ref="-1" time="11:36:28" date="28/11/2007" oldid="86" color="">a simple search in the forum might discover for you the posts you need most</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="127" ref="-1" time="11:36:31" date="28/11/2007" oldid="87" color="">plus</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="128">
			<Utterance genid="129" ref="-1" time="11:36:50" date="28/11/2007" oldid="88" color="">hold on, we can talk on the same level about a single post</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="130">
			<Utterance genid="131" ref="-1" time="11:36:50" date="28/11/2007" oldid="89" color="">this more likely a problem of organizing the topics</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="132">
			<Utterance genid="133" ref="-1" time="11:37:06" date="28/11/2007" oldid="90" color="">in the same topic you can have a lot of redundant information</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="134" ref="-1" time="11:37:34" date="28/11/2007" oldid="91" color="">what I mean to say is that information in a topic is not hierarchical</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="135">
			<Utterance genid="136" ref="133" time="11:37:53" date="28/11/2007" oldid="92" color="">indeed, that can also happen</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="137">
			<Utterance genid="138" ref="-1" time="11:37:57" date="28/11/2007" oldid="93" color="">the main advantage is that yu can get nice answers to your questions. but where is the answer if u need it very fast from a person you know and want to communicate with?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="139">
			<Utterance genid="140" ref="-1" time="11:38:02" date="28/11/2007" oldid="94" color="">and in order to find a propper answer to a question, you might have to go through a lot of text that is not necessary</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="141">
			<Utterance genid="142" ref="-1" time="11:38:05" date="28/11/2007" oldid="95" color="">but most of the times, a post is no longer than a few lines</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="143" ref="-1" time="11:38:23" date="28/11/2007" oldid="96" color="">and some individual maybe better at explaining something than somebody else</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="144">
			<Utterance genid="145" ref="-1" time="11:38:43" date="28/11/2007" oldid="97" color="">in forums, information is organised by the users</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="146">
			<Utterance genid="147" ref="-1" time="11:38:58" date="28/11/2007" oldid="98" color="">so two people saying basically the same thing may find one of them that sais it so that YOU understand it</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="148">
			<Utterance genid="149" ref="-1" time="11:39:13" date="28/11/2007" oldid="99" color="">that is true</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="150" ref="-1" time="11:39:32" date="28/11/2007" oldid="100" color="">however, most posts in the same topic are questions or explanations to other issues</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="151">
			<Utterance genid="152" ref="138" time="11:39:49" date="28/11/2007" oldid="101" color="">forums are for quality information, not quick information</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="153">
			<Utterance genid="154" ref="-1" time="11:39:53" date="28/11/2007" oldid="102" color="">and I'm not even bringing into discussion the flame wars here or the advertising</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="155">
			<Utterance genid="156" ref="-1" time="11:40:02" date="28/11/2007" oldid="103" color="">And i would like to say that wikis content can be altered and remains more "compact", whereas forums tend to arborise.</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="157">
			<Utterance genid="158" ref="-1" time="11:40:19" date="28/11/2007" oldid="104" color="">wikis also need a lot of moderation</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="159" ref="-1" time="11:40:33" date="28/11/2007" oldid="105" color="">let's not shift the subject please</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="160">
			<Utterance genid="161" ref="156" time="11:40:51" date="28/11/2007" oldid="106" color="">in many cases, this behaviour may be better than having public pages that can be modified</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="162">
			<Utterance genid="163" ref="-1" time="11:40:52" date="28/11/2007" oldid="107" color="">that's true but the information at least is reliable</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="164">
			<Utterance genid="165" ref="-1" time="11:40:53" date="28/11/2007" oldid="108" color="">right but if you want to do a good job you can't obtain it with no effort</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="166">
			<Utterance genid="167" ref="159" time="11:41:04" date="28/11/2007" oldid="109" color="">correct</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="168">
			<Utterance genid="169" ref="-1" time="11:41:34" date="28/11/2007" oldid="110" color="">so i belive a forum is much more like a chat</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="170" ref="-1" time="11:41:53" date="28/11/2007" oldid="111" color="">if you want to present an ideea a wiki is much better</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="171" ref="-1" time="11:42:04" date="28/11/2007" oldid="112" color="">and easier to find</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="172">
			<Utterance genid="173" ref="169" time="11:42:07" date="28/11/2007" oldid="113" color="">that is untrue; first of all a chat is exactly what the name suggests: chit-chat</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="174">
			<Utterance genid="175" ref="-1" time="11:42:11" date="28/11/2007" oldid="114" color="">I'm not agree with that. chats are farr online than forums</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="176">
			<Utterance genid="177" ref="-1" time="11:42:18" date="28/11/2007" oldid="115" color="">in a forum ideas can spread on many pages</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="178">
			<Utterance genid="179" ref="-1" time="11:42:22" date="28/11/2007" oldid="116" color="">users give quick answers to questions</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="180">
			<Utterance genid="181" ref="-1" time="11:42:26" date="28/11/2007" oldid="117" color="">information is hard to track</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="182">
			<Utterance genid="183" ref="-1" time="11:42:37" date="28/11/2007" oldid="118" color="">and you can oly get that information from the people you know</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="184" ref="181" time="11:42:58" date="28/11/2007" oldid="119" color="">yes, but at least it's persistent</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="185">
			<Utterance genid="186" ref="-1" time="11:43:13" date="28/11/2007" oldid="120" color="">true, persistency is of great importance</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="187">
			<Utterance genid="188" ref="-1" time="11:43:14" date="28/11/2007" oldid="121" color="">so a good post will always be there for people to see</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="189">
			<Utterance genid="190" ref="184" time="11:43:20" date="28/11/2007" oldid="122" color="">wikis are persistant too</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="191">
			<Utterance genid="192" ref="-1" time="11:43:24" date="28/11/2007" oldid="123" color="">many replies are redundant</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="193">
			<Utterance genid="194" ref="-1" time="11:43:25" date="28/11/2007" oldid="124" color="">however, a bad post will be there to</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="195">
			<Utterance genid="196" ref="-1" time="11:43:41" date="28/11/2007" oldid="125" color="">in a chat that person would have to say the same thing (impossible practically) over and over again for everybody</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="197">
			<Utterance genid="198" ref="-1" time="11:43:50" date="28/11/2007" oldid="126" color="">you can loose hours searching for the right answer to your question</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="199" ref="-1" time="11:44:16" date="28/11/2007" oldid="127" color="">happened to me a lot of toimes</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="200">
			<Utterance genid="201" ref="198" time="11:44:21" date="28/11/2007" oldid="128" color="">but you can also find a very good answer; you may never find the right person in a chat room</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="202" ref="-1" time="11:44:23" date="28/11/2007" oldid="129" color="">for this</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="203">
			<Utterance genid="204" ref="-1" time="11:44:23" date="28/11/2007" oldid="130" color="">sorry times</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="205">
			<Utterance genid="206" ref="-1" time="11:44:36" date="28/11/2007" oldid="131" color="">and if you do, than he or she may not have time for you</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="207">
			<Utterance genid="208" ref="201" time="11:44:50" date="28/11/2007" oldid="132" color="">yes, the chat rooms have another purpose</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="209">
			<Utterance genid="210" ref="-1" time="11:45:03" date="28/11/2007" oldid="133" color="">in forums, even if he or she is a very busy person, she can replay to your question at any time</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="211" ref="-1" time="11:45:28" date="28/11/2007" oldid="134" color="">let me suggest we pass to the next subject. you agree ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="212">
			<Utterance genid="213" ref="210" time="11:46:01" date="28/11/2007" oldid="135" color="">we should analyse about forums what good is bringing</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="214">
			<Utterance genid="215" ref="-1" time="11:46:12" date="28/11/2007" oldid="136" color="">i already specified that</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="216">
			<Utterance genid="217" ref="-1" time="11:46:13" date="28/11/2007" oldid="137" color="">why not</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="218" ref="-1" time="11:46:27" date="28/11/2007" oldid="138" color="">ok next topic</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)" genid="219">
			<Utterance genid="220" ref="210" time="11:46:27" date="28/11/2007" oldid="139" color="">the information can be in vane right there , in the forums</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="221">
			<Utterance genid="222" ref="-1" time="11:46:37" date="28/11/2007" oldid="140" color="">but you can add things i you feel i have left something out</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="223">
			<Utterance genid="224" ref="-1" time="11:46:59" date="28/11/2007" oldid="141" color="">yes, I would like to add something</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="225">
			<Utterance genid="226" ref="224" time="11:47:10" date="28/11/2007" oldid="142" color="">please do</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="227">
			<Utterance genid="228" ref="-1" time="11:47:27" date="28/11/2007" oldid="143" color="">there is an advantage to persistent information, aside from other people being able to find it</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="229" ref="-1" time="11:47:43" date="28/11/2007" oldid="144" color="">this is applicable also to wikis and blogs</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="230" ref="-1" time="11:47:56" date="28/11/2007" oldid="145" color="">webcrawlers will perpetually index that information</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="231" ref="-1" time="11:48:18" date="28/11/2007" oldid="146" color="">thus increasing the ranking and updating the content of a page</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="232" ref="-1" time="11:48:28" date="28/11/2007" oldid="147" color="">content is very important for users to come back</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="233">
			<Utterance genid="234" ref="-1" time="11:48:37" date="28/11/2007" oldid="148" color="">true .</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="235" ref="231" time="11:49:04" date="28/11/2007" oldid="149" color="">i have forgotten a very important argument which is attracting new pwople to your page</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="236" ref="-1" time="11:49:26" date="28/11/2007" oldid="150" color="">due to the continuous actions of the current users</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="237" ref="-1" time="11:49:46" date="28/11/2007" oldid="151" color="">but I think we can take the next subject now. don't you think ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="238">
			<Utterance genid="239" ref="235" time="11:49:53" date="28/11/2007" oldid="152" color="">not only that, but it keeps the users that are already there</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="240">
			<Utterance genid="241" ref="-1" time="11:50:05" date="28/11/2007" oldid="153" color="">or else, we may be here all night</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="242" ref="239" time="11:50:14" date="28/11/2007" oldid="154" color="">inded. that also</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="243">
			<Utterance genid="244" ref="237" time="11:50:23" date="28/11/2007" oldid="155" color="">i agree with (#user2#)</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="245" ref="-1" time="11:50:43" date="28/11/2007" oldid="156" color="">let's try to move forward</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="246" ref="-1" time="11:51:32" date="28/11/2007" oldid="157" color="">if you have nothing against i can present you wiki's advantages</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="247">
			<Utterance genid="248" ref="245" time="11:51:42" date="28/11/2007" oldid="158" color="">we are alwasy moving forward - wiki's are the only subject that is not sequential</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="249" ref="-1" time="11:51:50" date="28/11/2007" oldid="159" color="">wikis - sorry</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="250">
			<Utterance genid="251" ref="-1" time="11:52:30" date="28/11/2007" oldid="160" color="">so can i start?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="252">
			<Utterance genid="253" ref="251" time="11:52:40" date="28/11/2007" oldid="161" color="">please do</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="254">
			<Utterance genid="255" ref="-1" time="11:52:54" date="28/11/2007" oldid="162" color="">ok</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="257">
			<Utterance genid="258" ref="-1" time="11:53:12" date="28/11/2007" oldid="164" color="">just a sec</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="259">
			<Utterance genid="260" ref="-1" time="11:53:18" date="28/11/2007" oldid="165" color="">right</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="261">
			<Utterance genid="262" ref="-1" time="11:53:18" date="28/11/2007" oldid="166" color="">(#user0#) needs to reconnect</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="263" ref="-1" time="11:58:47" date="28/11/2007" oldid="167" color="">ok. i suggest that (#user4#) starts with his topic. (#user0#) will catch up with us when he reconnects</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="264">
			<Utterance genid="265" ref="-1" time="11:59:32" date="28/11/2007" oldid="168" color="">ok</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="266">
			<Utterance genid="267" ref="-1" time="11:59:50" date="28/11/2007" oldid="169" color="">(#user3#), still there ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="268">
			<Utterance genid="269" ref="267" time="12:00:12" date="29/11/2007" oldid="170" color="">(#user3#)?</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="270" ref="-1" time="12:00:29" date="29/11/2007" oldid="171" color="">we got a problem</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="271">
			<Utterance genid="272" ref="-1" time="12:00:55" date="29/11/2007" oldid="172" color="">no</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="273" ref="-1" time="12:00:58" date="29/11/2007" oldid="173" color="">I'm here</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="274">
			<Utterance genid="275" ref="273" time="12:01:47" date="29/11/2007" oldid="174" color="">ok.</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="276">
			<Utterance genid="277" ref="-1" time="12:01:55" date="29/11/2007" oldid="175" color="">so WIKIS</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="278">
			<Utterance genid="279" ref="-1" time="12:02:00" date="29/11/2007" oldid="176" color="">(#user4#) was just telling us about his topic</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="280">
			<Utterance genid="281" ref="-1" time="12:02:09" date="29/11/2007" oldid="177" color="">what we need is to satisfy communication-related needs of users and still keep efficiency as high as possible</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="282">
			<Utterance genid="283" ref="277" time="12:02:18" date="29/11/2007" oldid="178" color="">yep</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="284">
			<Utterance genid="285" ref="-1" time="12:02:20" date="29/11/2007" oldid="179" color="">this is the main issue</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="286" ref="-1" time="12:02:27" date="29/11/2007" oldid="180" color="">Many will say that is hard to maintain</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="287" ref="-1" time="12:02:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="181" color="">but it is impossible to keep a site clear, useful, organized thematically, well searchable by keywords and userfriendly with no effort (as i said before)</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="288" ref="-1" time="12:02:59" date="29/11/2007" oldid="182" color="">another advantage is that anyone can edit wiki content</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="289" ref="-1" time="12:03:08" date="29/11/2007" oldid="183" color="">so people located in different parts of the world can work on the same document</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="290" ref="-1" time="12:03:24" date="29/11/2007" oldid="184" color="">it also widens access to the power of web publishing to non-technical users</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="291" ref="-1" time="12:03:49" date="29/11/2007" oldid="185" color="">and wiki has no predetermined structure - consequently it is a flexible tool which can be used for a wide range of applications</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="292" ref="-1" time="12:04:21" date="29/11/2007" oldid="186" color="">like (#user2#) did</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="293" ref="-1" time="12:04:23" date="29/11/2007" oldid="187" color="">-------------</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="294" ref="-1" time="12:04:33" date="29/11/2007" oldid="188" color="">short but good</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="295">
			<Utterance genid="296" ref="290" time="12:04:42" date="29/11/2007" oldid="189" color="">this is why these pages can be ruined</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="297" ref="-1" time="12:05:13" date="29/11/2007" oldid="190" color="">a very good page by a smart scientist can be torn apart by a guy who doesn't know what he's doing</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="298">
			<Utterance genid="299" ref="-1" time="12:06:02" date="29/11/2007" oldid="191" color="">yes but if you look at Wikipedia for example</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="300">
			<Utterance genid="301" ref="297" time="12:06:04" date="29/11/2007" oldid="192" color="">and this is why it requires moderation, but information is not lost in any way</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="302">
			<Utterance genid="303" ref="287" time="12:06:10" date="29/11/2007" oldid="193" color="">in a forum, moderators do the cleanup and organizing</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="304">
			<Utterance genid="305" ref="-1" time="12:06:13" date="29/11/2007" oldid="194" color="">this did not happen</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="306">
			<Utterance genid="307" ref="-1" time="12:06:20" date="29/11/2007" oldid="195" color="">but who does this for a wiki ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="308">
			<Utterance genid="309" ref="-1" time="12:06:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="196" color="">it depends on that wikis purpose</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="310">
			<Utterance genid="311" ref="301" time="12:07:51" date="29/11/2007" oldid="197" color="">yes, but tearing apart a material may be much more subtle than on a first look</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="312" ref="-1" time="12:08:24" date="29/11/2007" oldid="198" color="">somebody could modify sensitive info, such as a chemical formula, and make the whole material unuseful</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="313">
			<Utterance genid="314" ref="-1" time="12:08:37" date="29/11/2007" oldid="199" color="">right i guess</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="315">
			<Utterance genid="316" ref="-1" time="12:08:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="200" color="">he may actually do that considering that the formula is correct his way</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="317">
			<Utterance genid="318" ref="316" time="12:09:07" date="29/11/2007" oldid="201" color="">yes, it may be done in good faith</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="319">
			<Utterance genid="320" ref="-1" time="12:09:23" date="29/11/2007" oldid="202" color="">that's why a specialist is needed</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="321" ref="316" time="12:10:12" date="29/11/2007" oldid="203" color="">someone or a team must keep track of all changes</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="322">
			<Utterance genid="323" ref="320" time="12:10:15" date="29/11/2007" oldid="204" color="">but how many pages can one specialist check for sensitive errors ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="324">
			<Utterance genid="325" ref="316" time="12:10:18" date="29/11/2007" oldid="205" color="">however, a formula is not the best example since scientific data can be verified and eventually the truth will come out</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="326">
			<Utterance genid="327" ref="-1" time="12:10:25" date="29/11/2007" oldid="206" color="">this way no harm will be done</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="328" ref="-1" time="12:10:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="207" color="">and the info presented will be valid</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="330">
			<Utterance genid="331" ref="-1" time="12:10:57" date="29/11/2007" oldid="209" color="">welcome back (#user0#)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="332">
			<Utterance genid="333" ref="-1" time="12:11:52" date="29/11/2007" oldid="210" color="">and lets not forget that a wiki can limit which users can login and edit the content</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="334">
			<Utterance genid="335" ref="328" time="12:11:58" date="29/11/2007" oldid="211" color=""/>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="336">
			<Utterance genid="337" ref="-1" time="12:12:14" date="29/11/2007" oldid="212" color="">facilitator control can virtually be the same as a blog</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="338">
			<Utterance genid="339" ref="-1" time="12:12:57" date="29/11/2007" oldid="213" color="">a problem could also be that another team is necessary to keep all the pages organized</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="340">
			<Utterance genid="341" ref="-1" time="12:13:02" date="29/11/2007" oldid="214" color="">so the main difference between a wiki and a blog becomes the layout and organization of information</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="342">
			<Utterance genid="343" ref="-1" time="12:13:17" date="29/11/2007" oldid="215" color="">hold on my friend</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="344" ref="-1" time="12:13:30" date="29/11/2007" oldid="216" color="">do not minimize that</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="345" ref="341" time="12:13:38" date="29/11/2007" oldid="217" color="">those are major differences</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="346">
			<Utterance genid="347" ref="-1" time="12:13:50" date="29/11/2007" oldid="218" color="">(#user3#), could you continue by telling us about blogs ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="348">
			<Utterance genid="349" ref="-1" time="12:14:07" date="29/11/2007" oldid="219" color="">hold on a second</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="350">
			<Utterance genid="351" ref="-1" time="12:14:13" date="29/11/2007" oldid="220" color="">i made your introduction</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="352">
			<Utterance genid="353" ref="-1" time="12:14:20" date="29/11/2007" oldid="221" color="">hello guy</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="354">
			<Utterance genid="355" ref="-1" time="12:14:26" date="29/11/2007" oldid="222" color="">hi (#user0#)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="356">
			<Utterance genid="357" ref="-1" time="12:14:31" date="29/11/2007" oldid="223" color="">I would like to adress some other issues about wikis</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="358">
			<Utterance genid="359" ref="-1" time="12:14:34" date="29/11/2007" oldid="224" color="">please catch up with the last lines</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="360" ref="357" time="12:14:43" date="29/11/2007" oldid="225" color="">ok. go ahead</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="361" ref="339" time="12:15:09" date="29/11/2007" oldid="226" color="">i also presented one just earlier</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="362">
			<Utterance genid="363" ref="357" time="12:15:15" date="29/11/2007" oldid="227" color="">please do</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="364">
			<Utterance genid="365" ref="-1" time="12:15:30" date="29/11/2007" oldid="228" color="">information in wikis tends to be organised in a a network structure</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="366" ref="-1" time="12:15:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="229" color="">this make documents interlink</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="367">
			<Utterance genid="368" ref="-1" time="12:15:50" date="29/11/2007" oldid="230" color=""/>
			<Utterance genid="369" ref="-1" time="12:15:50" date="29/11/2007" oldid="231" color=""/>
			<Utterance genid="370" ref="-1" time="12:15:50" date="29/11/2007" oldid="232" color=""/>
			<Utterance genid="371" ref="-1" time="12:15:50" date="29/11/2007" oldid="233" color=""/>
			<Utterance genid="372" ref="-1" time="12:15:51" date="29/11/2007" oldid="234" color=""/>
			<Utterance genid="373" ref="-1" time="12:15:51" date="29/11/2007" oldid="235" color="">hello guys</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="374">
			<Utterance genid="375" ref="-1" time="12:15:51" date="29/11/2007" oldid="236" color="">information may be apparently easier to access</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="376" ref="-1" time="12:16:08" date="29/11/2007" oldid="237" color="">but it may distract the attention from the main subject</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="377" ref="-1" time="12:16:27" date="29/11/2007" oldid="238" color="">the information on a wiki is a-temporal</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="378" ref="-1" time="12:16:46" date="29/11/2007" oldid="239" color="">you will most likely see the latest version of it</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="379" ref="-1" time="12:17:07" date="29/11/2007" oldid="240" color="">it does not capture the changes in thoughts or ideas</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="380">
			<Utterance genid="381" ref="377" time="12:17:10" date="29/11/2007" oldid="241" color="">don't thinks so, at least wikipedia has a big team which is veryfing everything</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="382">
			<Utterance genid="383" ref="378" time="12:17:25" date="29/11/2007" oldid="242" color="">that's exactly my point with changing to erronous information</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="384">
			<Utterance genid="385" ref="381" time="12:17:26" date="29/11/2007" oldid="243" color="">agree</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="386">
			<Utterance genid="387" ref="-1" time="12:17:53" date="29/11/2007" oldid="244" color="">it is not necessarily erroneous</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="388" ref="-1" time="12:18:06" date="29/11/2007" oldid="245" color="">but information changes and these changes may not be percieved</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="389">
			<Utterance genid="390" ref="387" time="12:18:17" date="29/11/2007" oldid="246" color="">ok. may be just worse than the previous version</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="391">
			<Utterance genid="392" ref="390" time="12:18:34" date="29/11/2007" oldid="247" color="">it may also be better</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="393">
			<Utterance genid="394" ref="-1" time="12:19:00" date="29/11/2007" oldid="248" color="">ok. let's continue with ahother topic, shall we ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="395">
			<Utterance genid="396" ref="-1" time="12:19:12" date="29/11/2007" oldid="249" color="">however, the user is not able to compare the pieces of information himself, but gets what was served last</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="397">
			<Utterance genid="398" ref="-1" time="12:19:31" date="29/11/2007" oldid="250" color="">if the certain page of wiki is recognized as a refference tool, the articles should be fairly good</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="399" ref="-1" time="12:19:32" date="29/11/2007" oldid="251" color="">but</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="400">
			<Utterance genid="401" ref="396" time="12:19:34" date="29/11/2007" oldid="252" color="">yes; this may be the best way to put it</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="402">
			<Utterance genid="403" ref="-1" time="12:20:00" date="29/11/2007" oldid="253" color="">but the flexibility of a wiki's structure can mean that information becomes disorganised. As a wiki grows, the community plans and administers the structure collaboratively.</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="404">
			<Utterance genid="405" ref="403" time="12:20:20" date="29/11/2007" oldid="254" color="">that's exact;y one pf my previous points</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="406" ref="-1" time="12:20:47" date="29/11/2007" oldid="255" color="">I suggest we move on now. we've been here for about an hour.</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="407">
			<Utterance genid="408" ref="-1" time="12:20:59" date="29/11/2007" oldid="256" color="">anyone can edit so this may be too open for some applications, for example confidential documentation. However it is possible to regulate user access.</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="409">
			<Utterance genid="410" ref="-1" time="12:21:35" date="29/11/2007" oldid="257" color="">(#user3#), can you present us your topic ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="411">
			<Utterance genid="412" ref="408" time="12:22:04" date="29/11/2007" oldid="258" color="">wiki is far better</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="413">
			<Utterance genid="414" ref="412" time="12:22:22" date="29/11/2007" oldid="259" color="">I agree</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="415">
			<Utterance genid="416" ref="410" time="12:22:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="260" color="">I will as soon as this conversation comes to a halt</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="417">
			<Utterance genid="418" ref="408" time="12:23:26" date="29/11/2007" oldid="261" color="">anyone can reveal confidential info on any form of chat</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="419">
			<Utterance genid="420" ref="418" time="12:23:50" date="29/11/2007" oldid="262" color="">yeap</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="421">
			<Utterance genid="422" ref="416" time="12:23:52" date="29/11/2007" oldid="263" color="">sorry, please continue (#user3#)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="423">
			<Utterance genid="424" ref="-1" time="12:24:05" date="29/11/2007" oldid="264" color="">no aplogy necessary</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="425" ref="-1" time="12:24:15" date="29/11/2007" oldid="265" color="">Blogs</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="426" ref="-1" time="12:25:20" date="29/11/2007" oldid="266" color="">Blogs are a way of organising information in a manner in which it tends to belong to the the one that issues it</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="427" ref="-1" time="12:25:50" date="29/11/2007" oldid="267" color="">They are not as flexible to ordinary users as a forum or a wiki, or even a chat</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="428" ref="-1" time="12:26:17" date="29/11/2007" oldid="268" color="">however, it is a very efficient way for a company to convey information to it's custumers and partners</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="429" ref="-1" time="12:26:48" date="29/11/2007" oldid="269" color="">the structural organisation of information in a blog is that the data tends to amass at the top</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="430" ref="-1" time="12:27:19" date="29/11/2007" oldid="270" color="">setting asside the obvious advantage of ease of use</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="431" ref="-1" time="12:27:35" date="29/11/2007" oldid="271" color="">which applies to all the subjects we have been discussing thus far</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="432" ref="-1" time="12:28:08" date="29/11/2007" oldid="272" color="">there is also a very important aspect in efficiency as this is far better than news letters</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="433" ref="-1" time="12:28:24" date="29/11/2007" oldid="273" color="">it takes far less work to manage a blog than a newsletter system</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="434" ref="-1" time="12:28:57" date="29/11/2007" oldid="274" color="">also, most blogs have RSS feeds for when information is updated or tracked back</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="435" ref="-1" time="12:29:12" date="29/11/2007" oldid="275" color="">this is a facility that most forums do not have</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="436" ref="-1" time="12:29:57" date="29/11/2007" oldid="276" color="">also, I can not stress enough how important the new information brough in is to a web page ranking (as previously mentioned)</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="437" ref="-1" time="12:30:27" date="29/11/2007" oldid="277" color="">please go ahead and express points of view, and I will go on from those</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="438">
			<Utterance genid="439" ref="-1" time="12:30:33" date="29/11/2007" oldid="278" color="">don't you think that most people don&#x92;t have very much to say that&#x92;s interesting andr are unable to write down their ideas in a compelling and clear manner?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="440">
			<Utterance genid="441" ref="439" time="12:31:11" date="29/11/2007" oldid="279" color="">we are not talking of blogs for people, but for companies</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="442">
			<Utterance genid="443" ref="428" time="12:31:33" date="29/11/2007" oldid="280" color="">do you realy believe that a company would ever send information to customers or partners in a blog form. I don't think so!</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="444">
			<Utterance genid="445" ref="441" time="12:31:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="281" color="">the usages are far different - they are not necessarily points of view or ideas that randomly come across one's head</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="446" ref="443" time="12:31:58" date="29/11/2007" oldid="282" color="">I do</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="447">
			<Utterance genid="448" ref="443" time="12:32:19" date="29/11/2007" oldid="283" color="">information is much better structured in a wiki, and looks better too</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="449">
			<Utterance genid="450" ref="443" time="12:32:34" date="29/11/2007" oldid="284" color="">http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/12/64_bitswhen.html</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="451" ref="448" time="12:32:56" date="29/11/2007" oldid="285" color="">This is not about that kind of information</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="452">
			<Utterance genid="453" ref="441" time="12:33:03" date="29/11/2007" oldid="286" color="">as much as I know the companies preferr the wikis</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="454">
			<Utterance genid="455" ref="453" time="12:33:22" date="29/11/2007" oldid="287" color="">they really do</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="456">
			<Utterance genid="457" ref="-1" time="12:33:27" date="29/11/2007" oldid="288" color="">The information takes the form the company wants it to, and it is well structured to suit it' needs</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="458">
			<Utterance genid="459" ref="-1" time="12:33:37" date="29/11/2007" oldid="289" color="">because is simpler to use, or to add new article...is more popular</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="460">
			<Utterance genid="461" ref="453" time="12:34:00" date="29/11/2007" oldid="290" color="">in order to do what?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="462">
			<Utterance genid="463" ref="-1" time="12:34:11" date="29/11/2007" oldid="291" color="">true, but still, I didn.t hear about any company using blogs</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="464">
			<Utterance genid="465" ref="463" time="12:34:30" date="29/11/2007" oldid="292" color="">you have a point there</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="466">
			<Utterance genid="467" ref="463" time="12:35:09" date="29/11/2007" oldid="293" color="">what sort of information are you talking about?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="468">
			<Utterance genid="469" ref="-1" time="12:35:37" date="29/11/2007" oldid="294" color="">organizations are not democracies -&gt; the Web makes many organizations look like disorganizations, with multiple tones and opinions.</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="470">
			<Utterance genid="471" ref="450" time="12:35:44" date="29/11/2007" oldid="295" color="">besides, I just gave you a link that that has blogs.adobe in it</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="472" ref="469" time="12:36:17" date="29/11/2007" oldid="296" color="">so you are contradicting yourself?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="473">
			<Utterance genid="474" ref="-1" time="12:36:18" date="29/11/2007" oldid="297" color="">internal doccumentation</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="475" ref="-1" time="12:36:33" date="29/11/2007" oldid="298" color="">or wiki discussions, let's say, written experience</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="476" ref="463" time="12:37:20" date="29/11/2007" oldid="299" color="">I said the most companies are using wikis instead of blogs</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="477">
			<Utterance genid="478" ref="-1" time="12:37:39" date="29/11/2007" oldid="300" color="">can we have (#user0#) now talking about his topic?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="479">
			<Utterance genid="480" ref="476" time="12:37:50" date="29/11/2007" oldid="301" color="">hold on, I don't understand</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="481" ref="480" time="12:37:58" date="29/11/2007" oldid="302" color="">is this about internal information?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="482">
			<Utterance genid="483" ref="-1" time="12:38:20" date="29/11/2007" oldid="303" color="">i think we've understood enough the points presented so far. let's try to move on.</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="484" ref="-1" time="12:38:35" date="29/11/2007" oldid="304" color="">we also need to talk about integrating all of this</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="485">
			<Utterance genid="486" ref="481" time="12:38:51" date="29/11/2007" oldid="305" color="">the answer is yes</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="487">
			<Utterance genid="488" ref="478" time="12:39:16" date="29/11/2007" oldid="306" color="">(#user2#) is right we shouldn't get stuck in this discussion</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="489">
			<Utterance genid="490" ref="-1" time="12:39:26" date="29/11/2007" oldid="307" color="">ok</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="491">
			<Utterance genid="492" ref="486" time="12:39:33" date="29/11/2007" oldid="308" color="">conveying information to a company's customers is not internal information</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="493">
			<Utterance genid="494" ref="-1" time="12:40:36" date="29/11/2007" oldid="309" color="">ok. but what I was referring about was what the most companies are using</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="495">
			<Utterance genid="496" ref="494" time="12:40:54" date="29/11/2007" oldid="310" color="">(#user0#), please continue by talking about chats</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="497">
			<Utterance genid="498" ref="-1" time="12:41:00" date="29/11/2007" oldid="311" color="">maybe Adobe is using blogs, I'm agree with that</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="499" ref="-1" time="12:41:20" date="29/11/2007" oldid="312" color="">okiiiii</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="500" ref="-1" time="12:41:26" date="29/11/2007" oldid="313" color="">now is CHATT turn</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="501" ref="-1" time="12:41:44" date="29/11/2007" oldid="314" color="">let me ask you a question</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="502" ref="-1" time="12:41:49" date="29/11/2007" oldid="315" color="">what are we doing now?</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="503" ref="-1" time="12:41:59" date="29/11/2007" oldid="316" color="">that's right: we are chatting</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="504" ref="-1" time="12:42:22" date="29/11/2007" oldid="317" color="">why??? because is the cheapest instrument we can use at this hour in the night</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="505" ref="-1" time="12:42:49" date="29/11/2007" oldid="318" color="">and is the second tool after email used by everybody</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="506" ref="-1" time="12:43:20" date="29/11/2007" oldid="319" color="">Chatt has few advantages and disadvantages as all other items you presented</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="507" ref="-1" time="12:43:50" date="29/11/2007" oldid="320" color="">and I respect, but the segment of interest each item is addressing is different</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="508">
			<Utterance genid="509" ref="507" time="12:45:28" date="29/11/2007" oldid="321" color="">this I agree with - the usability varies depending on what you want to do</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="510">
			<Utterance genid="511" ref="-1" time="12:46:04" date="29/11/2007" oldid="322" color="">First of all: Chatt is FREE</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="512" ref="-1" time="12:46:04" date="29/11/2007" oldid="323" color="">like others, you can say...yes, but is more online than the others</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="513" ref="-1" time="12:46:04" date="29/11/2007" oldid="324" color="">so you don't pay bils, but you can talk with your friend all over the world</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="514" ref="-1" time="12:46:04" date="29/11/2007" oldid="325" color="">thus you make large economies: a lot of people agree that chatt saved a good percentage of their income</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="515" ref="-1" time="12:46:05" date="29/11/2007" oldid="326" color="">also</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="516" ref="-1" time="12:46:13" date="29/11/2007" oldid="327" color="">Chat is PRIVATE</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="517" ref="-1" time="12:46:33" date="29/11/2007" oldid="328" color="">so it addresses to friends</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="518" ref="-1" time="12:46:46" date="29/11/2007" oldid="329" color="">COMMUNICATING</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="519">
			<Utterance genid="520" ref="516" time="12:46:55" date="29/11/2007" oldid="330" color="">this is also its major disadvantage</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="521" ref="-1" time="12:47:03" date="29/11/2007" oldid="331" color="">if you need information</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="522" ref="-1" time="12:47:16" date="29/11/2007" oldid="332" color="">you must take it from one of your friends</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="523">
			<Utterance genid="524" ref="-1" time="12:47:16" date="29/11/2007" oldid="333" color="">I agree</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="525">
			<Utterance genid="526" ref="520" time="12:47:29" date="29/11/2007" oldid="334" color="">my friend, forums are private too</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="527">
			<Utterance genid="528" ref="-1" time="12:47:29" date="29/11/2007" oldid="335" color="">but with chatt you can share photos</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="529" ref="-1" time="12:47:30" date="29/11/2007" oldid="336" color="">music</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="530">
			<Utterance genid="531" ref="-1" time="12:47:31" date="29/11/2007" oldid="337" color="">and he or she may not be the most competent person to talk to</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="532">
			<Utterance genid="533" ref="-1" time="12:47:47" date="29/11/2007" oldid="338" color="">and all kind of other stuff like multimedia</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="534">
			<Utterance genid="535" ref="526" time="12:48:14" date="29/11/2007" oldid="339" color="">anybody can create an account on a forum</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="536">
			<Utterance genid="537" ref="-1" time="12:48:19" date="29/11/2007" oldid="340" color="">you have right, maybe you know that game: "ask a friend"</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="538" ref="-1" time="12:48:32" date="29/11/2007" oldid="341" color="">c</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="539" ref="-1" time="12:48:40" date="29/11/2007" oldid="342" color="">CHATT is dedicated to FRIENDS</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="540" ref="-1" time="12:48:52" date="29/11/2007" oldid="343" color="">and business also</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="541" ref="-1" time="12:49:18" date="29/11/2007" oldid="344" color="">how easy is now to talk to your boss about some problems you are meeting with</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="542" ref="-1" time="12:49:56" date="29/11/2007" oldid="345" color="">and send him an attachment demonstrating that you were right</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="543">
			<Utterance genid="544" ref="535" time="12:50:15" date="29/11/2007" oldid="346" color="">and even if you don't have an account , you can still view the posts</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="545">
			<Utterance genid="546" ref="-1" time="12:50:21" date="29/11/2007" oldid="347" color="">actually right now we are chatting....I think that says all</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="547" ref="-1" time="12:50:32" date="29/11/2007" oldid="348" color="">it is not about the posts</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="548">
			<Utterance genid="549" ref="546" time="12:50:54" date="29/11/2007" oldid="349" color="">the major disadvantage of chat rooms is that the participants need to schedule to meet at a particular time</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="550" ref="-1" time="12:51:07" date="29/11/2007" oldid="350" color="">we had this problem right?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="551">
			<Utterance genid="552" ref="546" time="12:51:17" date="29/11/2007" oldid="351" color="">obviously you can do more intersting things: like ask a friend about what search keys to enter in the google search bar</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="553" ref="-1" time="12:51:42" date="29/11/2007" oldid="352" color="">that's right</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="554" ref="-1" time="12:51:58" date="29/11/2007" oldid="353" color="">Chatt has disadvantages</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="555" ref="-1" time="12:52:11" date="29/11/2007" oldid="354" color="">but let's be a little sincere</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="556" ref="-1" time="12:52:23" date="29/11/2007" oldid="355" color="">how many of you do not use chatt?</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="557" ref="-1" time="12:52:52" date="29/11/2007" oldid="356" color="">everyday life I mean</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="558" ref="-1" time="12:54:07" date="29/11/2007" oldid="357" color="">so it is very simple to have a conference, right?</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="559" ref="-1" time="12:54:27" date="29/11/2007" oldid="358" color="">because it is so easy to click the "conference" button</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="560" ref="-1" time="12:54:52" date="29/11/2007" oldid="359" color="">and thus everybody talking with everybody on a punctual problem</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="561" ref="-1" time="12:55:07" date="29/11/2007" oldid="360" color="">like we have right now, in this conference</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="562" ref="-1" time="12:56:50" date="29/11/2007" oldid="361" color="">in big companies, which has different headquarters in different part of the globe, the employees may use chatt conferences</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="563" ref="-1" time="12:57:19" date="29/11/2007" oldid="362" color="">thus, they share files, and ideas</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="564">
			<Utterance genid="565" ref="562" time="12:57:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="363" color="">videochat more probably</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="566">
			<Utterance genid="567" ref="-1" time="12:58:05" date="29/11/2007" oldid="364" color="">exactly</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="568">
			<Utterance genid="569" ref="-1" time="12:58:31" date="29/11/2007" oldid="365" color="">let me ask you, how may words per minute(WPM) can you type?</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="570" ref="-1" time="12:58:42" date="29/11/2007" oldid="366" color="">100 is for professionals</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="571">
			<Utterance genid="572" ref="-1" time="12:58:43" date="29/11/2007" oldid="367" color="">with the nowdays technologies, making videochats ...or vide conferences is very easy</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="573">
			<Utterance genid="574" ref="-1" time="12:58:55" date="29/11/2007" oldid="368" color="">in speack 350 is a common number for debates</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="575" ref="-1" time="12:59:00" date="29/11/2007" oldid="369" color="">speach</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="576">
			<Utterance genid="577" ref="570" time="12:59:38" date="29/11/2007" oldid="370" color="">with video chatss...or video conferences, you should only to know how to push button</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="578">
			<Utterance genid="579" ref="-1" time="01:00:19" date="29/11/2007" oldid="371" color="">i think it's fair to stop the topics now</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="580">
			<Utterance genid="581" ref="-1" time="01:00:22" date="29/11/2007" oldid="372" color="">as (#user4#) said, video conferences are a very imporrtant tool for anybody</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="582">
			<Utterance genid="583" ref="-1" time="01:00:30" date="29/11/2007" oldid="373" color="">and start talking about integrating all of these</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="584" ref="-1" time="01:00:49" date="29/11/2007" oldid="374" color="">we are only human. and also need to sleep</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="585" ref="-1" time="01:01:19" date="29/11/2007" oldid="375" color="">so, while ou finish the discussion, let me draw you a picture of how I see this integration</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="586" ref="-1" time="01:04:27" date="29/11/2007" oldid="376" color="">ok</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="587" ref="-1" time="01:04:35" date="29/11/2007" oldid="377" color="">so let me explain a bit</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="588" ref="-1" time="01:05:09" date="29/11/2007" oldid="378" color="">did you all check out the picture &gt;</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="589" ref="-1" time="01:05:10" date="29/11/2007" oldid="379" color="">?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="590">
			<Utterance genid="591" ref="-1" time="01:05:18" date="29/11/2007" oldid="380" color="">did</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="592">
			<Utterance genid="593" ref="-1" time="01:05:21" date="29/11/2007" oldid="381" color="">yes</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="594">
			<Utterance genid="595" ref="588" time="01:05:24" date="29/11/2007" oldid="382" color="">yes</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="596">
			<Utterance genid="597" ref="-1" time="01:05:55" date="29/11/2007" oldid="383" color="">oki</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="598" ref="-1" time="01:06:02" date="29/11/2007" oldid="384" color="">so waht i had in mind is this</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="599" ref="-1" time="01:06:10" date="29/11/2007" oldid="385" color="">and you can comment upon it</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="600" ref="-1" time="01:06:19" date="29/11/2007" oldid="386" color="">you have a modular architectrue</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="601" ref="-1" time="01:06:30" date="29/11/2007" oldid="387" color="">that has a CORE module...</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="602" ref="-1" time="01:07:04" date="29/11/2007" oldid="388" color="">meaning all the servers and web services needed to support forums, blogs, in gemeral any web communication tools</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="603" ref="-1" time="01:07:12" date="29/11/2007" oldid="389" color="">and then you have a so called connector</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="604" ref="-1" time="01:07:21" date="29/11/2007" oldid="390" color="">for each particular communication tool</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="605" ref="-1" time="01:07:59" date="29/11/2007" oldid="391" color="">that gives the look and feel , and of course, functionality of each particular type of communication tool</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="606" ref="-1" time="01:08:27" date="29/11/2007" oldid="392" color="">the CORE should also include means of converting information from one type to another</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="607" ref="-1" time="01:08:34" date="29/11/2007" oldid="393" color="">an example:</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="608">
			<Utterance genid="609" ref="-1" time="01:08:39" date="29/11/2007" oldid="394" color="">that's right: integreting all these technologies, the result is fully qualified to respond to any request</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="610">
			<Utterance genid="611" ref="-1" time="01:08:44" date="29/11/2007" oldid="395" color="">you have all the info in posts in forums</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="612" ref="-1" time="01:08:53" date="29/11/2007" oldid="396" color="">but you want to see that info as a blog</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="613" ref="-1" time="01:09:27" date="29/11/2007" oldid="397" color="">so you make a program that takes the needed posts from the forum and displays them in a , let's say, wiki page.</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="614" ref="-1" time="01:09:34" date="29/11/2007" oldid="398" color="">and so on..</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="615">
			<Utterance genid="616" ref="-1" time="01:09:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="399" color="">or maybe ou want to chat a little bit to find more with one of those users: of course if it is online</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="617">
			<Utterance genid="618" ref="-1" time="01:09:45" date="29/11/2007" oldid="400" color="">let me conclude this idea</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="619" ref="-1" time="01:10:02" date="29/11/2007" oldid="401" color="">in CORE, you have a conversion program bete\ween formats</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="620" ref="-1" time="01:10:15" date="29/11/2007" oldid="402" color="">and in each connector the specifics for every communication tool</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="621" ref="-1" time="01:10:56" date="29/11/2007" oldid="403" color="">in this way you obtain a scalable infrastractureallowin anybody to use all the benefits of each tool and also work in the one he/she preffers</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="622" ref="-1" time="01:11:03" date="29/11/2007" oldid="404" color="">what do you think ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="623">
			<Utterance genid="624" ref="-1" time="01:11:46" date="29/11/2007" oldid="405" color="">well, I don't believe that a conversion to wiki form from any other form is posible automatically</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="625">
			<Utterance genid="626" ref="-1" time="01:12:08" date="29/11/2007" oldid="406" color="">it is if you define a format for each of them</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="627">
			<Utterance genid="628" ref="624" time="01:12:12" date="29/11/2007" oldid="407" color="">that is what i was thinking of</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="629">
			<Utterance genid="630" ref="-1" time="01:12:12" date="29/11/2007" oldid="408" color="">the idea is very good, maybe we should add a little more of security</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="631">
			<Utterance genid="632" ref="626" time="01:12:50" date="29/11/2007" oldid="409" color="">it would be more restrictive by imposing a specific formatting, but it would allow such conversion</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="633">
			<Utterance genid="634" ref="-1" time="01:12:52" date="29/11/2007" oldid="410" color="">this looks more like the model-view-controlller paradigm</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="635">
			<Utterance genid="636" ref="626" time="01:13:05" date="29/11/2007" oldid="411" color="">the organisation of data in a wiki is based on the information itself and no program can make an assessment of that information</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="637">
			<Utterance genid="638" ref="-1" time="01:13:19" date="29/11/2007" oldid="412" color="">you have a database and you see the info the way you want</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="639">
			<Utterance genid="640" ref="-1" time="01:13:34" date="29/11/2007" oldid="413" color="">whereas in the other forms, information is structured in time</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="641">
			<Utterance genid="642" ref="-1" time="01:13:36" date="29/11/2007" oldid="414" color="">but how can you convert wiki content to chat?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="643">
			<Utterance genid="644" ref="638" time="01:13:40" date="29/11/2007" oldid="415" color="">something like that</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="645">
			<Utterance genid="646" ref="642" time="01:14:02" date="29/11/2007" oldid="416" color="">that's a good question</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="647">
			<Utterance genid="648" ref="642" time="01:14:05" date="29/11/2007" oldid="417" color="">you could for example send it as a text fiel</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="649" ref="-1" time="01:14:20" date="29/11/2007" oldid="418" color="">well, not a text file, but a file none the least</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="650">
			<Utterance genid="651" ref="-1" time="01:14:45" date="29/11/2007" oldid="419" color="">user should have control of what is transforming what</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="652" ref="-1" time="01:14:53" date="29/11/2007" oldid="420" color="">i don't think user would want that</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="653">
			<Utterance genid="654" ref="-1" time="01:15:06" date="29/11/2007" oldid="421" color="">here's a thought</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="655">
			<Utterance genid="656" ref="649" time="01:15:18" date="29/11/2007" oldid="422" color="">it's like extracting a page from a very large book</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="657">
			<Utterance genid="658" ref="-1" time="01:15:18" date="29/11/2007" oldid="423" color="">fundamentally, forums and wikis serve different purposes</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="659">
			<Utterance genid="660" ref="-1" time="01:15:20" date="29/11/2007" oldid="424" color="">but if he does, this operation should be permitted with plenty of retrictions we define</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="661">
			<Utterance genid="662" ref="-1" time="01:15:22" date="29/11/2007" oldid="425" color="">I don't believe the information should be translated to different formats anyway</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="663">
			<Utterance genid="664" ref="-1" time="01:15:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="426" color="">wikis are good for creating a relatively compact knowledgebase, but aren't great for building a community</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="665" ref="-1" time="01:16:03" date="29/11/2007" oldid="427" color="">so it's best to put them together</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="666">
			<Utterance genid="667" ref="664" time="01:16:04" date="29/11/2007" oldid="428" color="">yes, and this could be complemented by other tools</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="668">
			<Utterance genid="669" ref="-1" time="01:16:27" date="29/11/2007" oldid="429" color="">you do realise that all these tools serve different purposes and there is no point in tranfoming one into the other</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="670">
			<Utterance genid="671" ref="662" time="01:16:37" date="29/11/2007" oldid="430" color="">the integration should that the user chooses a format which is familiar with to communicate with the other users, what can be simpler that that?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="672">
			<Utterance genid="673" ref="-1" time="01:16:39" date="29/11/2007" oldid="431" color="">blogs can be converted to forums i guess much easier</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="674">
			<Utterance genid="675" ref="-1" time="01:16:46" date="29/11/2007" oldid="432" color="">there is the more obvious possibility of taking the best out of each tool and making one unitary program</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="676" ref="-1" time="01:17:02" date="29/11/2007" oldid="433" color="">but such a modular architectrue is definetely more scalable</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="677">
			<Utterance genid="678" ref="673" time="01:17:08" date="29/11/2007" oldid="434" color="">true, but what would be the point?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="679">
			<Utterance genid="680" ref="669" time="01:17:17" date="29/11/2007" oldid="435" color="">true</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="681" ref="-1" time="01:17:38" date="29/11/2007" oldid="436" color="">but some peolple are stubborn in believing that their tool is the best</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="682">
			<Utterance genid="683" ref="673" time="01:17:38" date="29/11/2007" oldid="437" color="">none</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="684">
			<Utterance genid="685" ref="-1" time="01:17:53" date="29/11/2007" oldid="438" color="">this would give a way to see everything as part of their universe</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="686">
			<Utterance genid="687" ref="681" time="01:17:56" date="29/11/2007" oldid="439" color="">that's the point</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="688">
			<Utterance genid="689" ref="676" time="01:18:10" date="29/11/2007" oldid="440" color="">I believe this sort of architecture would be effective for server applications</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="690">
			<Utterance genid="691" ref="685" time="01:18:12" date="29/11/2007" oldid="441" color="">that's fine</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="692">
			<Utterance genid="693" ref="-1" time="01:18:23" date="29/11/2007" oldid="442" color="">as you can come with a new tool and simply insert it into a slot</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="694">
			<Utterance genid="695" ref="-1" time="01:18:25" date="29/11/2007" oldid="443" color="">anyway (#user2#)s ideea is very good</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="696">
			<Utterance genid="697" ref="689" time="01:18:28" date="29/11/2007" oldid="444" color="">it's definetely something like that</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="698" ref="693" time="01:18:55" date="29/11/2007" oldid="445" color="">exactly. the point is to make it as abstract as possible, so taht any new technology can fit into it</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="699">
			<Utterance genid="700" ref="-1" time="01:18:57" date="29/11/2007" oldid="446" color="">but you have to have compatible slots fo the different manufacturers of such tools</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="701">
			<Utterance genid="702" ref="-1" time="01:19:03" date="29/11/2007" oldid="447" color="">there are minor details to work on</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="703" ref="-1" time="01:19:30" date="29/11/2007" oldid="448" color="">but this can be done</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="704">
			<Utterance genid="705" ref="-1" time="01:19:45" date="29/11/2007" oldid="449" color="">there is also the big problem of how the GUI should look like</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="706">
			<Utterance genid="707" ref="-1" time="01:20:05" date="29/11/2007" oldid="450" color="">the modularity thing is very good; but is it applicable? where?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="708">
			<Utterance genid="709" ref="-1" time="01:20:08" date="29/11/2007" oldid="451" color="">not necessarily for the solution i proposed, but in general</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="710">
			<Utterance genid="711" ref="-1" time="01:20:12" date="29/11/2007" oldid="452" color="">and when?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="712">
			<Utterance genid="713" ref="-1" time="01:20:13" date="29/11/2007" oldid="453" color="">what do you think ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="714">
			<Utterance genid="715" ref="-1" time="01:20:53" date="29/11/2007" oldid="454" color="">the modularity as general theory is very good; in practice is the same</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="716" ref="-1" time="01:21:12" date="29/11/2007" oldid="455" color="">but we should how to integrate these thing</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="717" ref="-1" time="01:21:15" date="29/11/2007" oldid="456" color="">things</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="718" ref="-1" time="01:21:22" date="29/11/2007" oldid="457" color="">we have four items</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="719" ref="-1" time="01:21:32" date="29/11/2007" oldid="458" color="">and we want to integrate them</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="720" ref="-1" time="01:21:46" date="29/11/2007" oldid="459" color="">all we are taling about is a server</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="721" ref="-1" time="01:22:02" date="29/11/2007" oldid="460" color="">and www - web pages, right</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="722" ref="-1" time="01:22:02" date="29/11/2007" oldid="461" color="">/"</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="723">
			<Utterance genid="724" ref="700" time="01:22:27" date="29/11/2007" oldid="462" color="">do you think that similar traits could be isolated for an abstract layer, and then specifics for each manufacturer be just the configuration for the connector ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="725">
			<Utterance genid="726" ref="-1" time="01:22:33" date="29/11/2007" oldid="463" color="">right many servers offer informations that different clients display in different ways</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="727" ref="-1" time="01:22:47" date="29/11/2007" oldid="464" color="">the way it's needed</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="728">
			<Utterance genid="729" ref="724" time="01:23:32" date="29/11/2007" oldid="465" color="">I believe in an abstract layer that acts as an interface and that the manufactures will abide to</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="730">
			<Utterance genid="731" ref="-1" time="01:24:03" date="29/11/2007" oldid="466" color="">we are blocked: the answer is very easy: the integration is making a site, for beginning to emulate all these techonologies together</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="732">
			<Utterance genid="733" ref="-1" time="01:24:07" date="29/11/2007" oldid="467" color="">but it is hard to set a standard and there are already a lot of these tools already available and very popular, so imposing your own standard may be impractical</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="734">
			<Utterance genid="735" ref="733" time="01:25:13" date="29/11/2007" oldid="468" color="">it's been proven though that in many cases, standardisation is very helpful, and most importnt, very welcome</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="736" ref="-1" time="01:25:48" date="29/11/2007" oldid="469" color="">you could see this by studyig the communication protocols from their early ages to nowadays</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="737">
			<Utterance genid="738" ref="733" time="01:25:57" date="29/11/2007" oldid="470" color="">great minds discuss ideas</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="739">
			<Utterance genid="740" ref="-1" time="01:25:58" date="29/11/2007" oldid="471" color="">important and helpful, yes, but as for the welcome part, let me remind you of the iso osi model</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="741">
			<Utterance genid="742" ref="-1" time="01:26:17" date="29/11/2007" oldid="472" color="">:))</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="743" ref="738" time="01:26:25" date="29/11/2007" oldid="473" color="">agree</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="744">
			<Utterance genid="745" ref="740" time="01:26:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="474" color="">there are risks, of course. as mr Tannenbaum sais in his book, you have to find the right moment for this</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="746">
			<Utterance genid="747" ref="738" time="01:27:21" date="29/11/2007" oldid="475" color="">let me tell you that ideas have to be bankrolled by somebody</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="748">
			<Utterance genid="749" ref="745" time="01:27:21" date="29/11/2007" oldid="476" color="">you are right</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="750" ref="-1" time="01:27:37" date="29/11/2007" oldid="477" color="">so gent</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="751" ref="-1" time="01:27:38" date="29/11/2007" oldid="478" color="">gents</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="752" ref="-1" time="01:27:52" date="29/11/2007" oldid="479" color="">I say to make together a tool</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="753" ref="-1" time="01:28:03" date="29/11/2007" oldid="480" color="">"an integrated tool"</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="754">
			<Utterance genid="755" ref="-1" time="01:28:14" date="29/11/2007" oldid="481" color="">the best one on the market</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="756">
			<Utterance genid="757" ref="-1" time="01:28:23" date="29/11/2007" oldid="482" color="">exactly</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="758">
			<Utterance genid="759" ref="747" time="01:28:34" date="29/11/2007" oldid="483" color="">big organizations that work a lot with www would be the ones to take into consideration: take google for example</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="760">
			<Utterance genid="761" ref="759" time="01:28:56" date="29/11/2007" oldid="484" color="">that's I'm talking about</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="762">
			<Utterance genid="763" ref="759" time="01:29:01" date="29/11/2007" oldid="485" color="">which by the way, does have an official blog :D</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="764" ref="759" time="01:29:39" date="29/11/2007" oldid="486" color="">and I do believe google implements it's own server side programming</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="765">
			<Utterance genid="766" ref="763" time="01:29:47" date="29/11/2007" oldid="487" color="">this is not a bad idea\</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="767">
			<Utterance genid="768" ref="763" time="01:29:57" date="29/11/2007" oldid="488" color="">and because of that, they would most likely want that to be the standard; but hey, as you said, sombody has to pay, and e makes a lot of te rules</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="769" ref="-1" time="01:30:22" date="29/11/2007" oldid="489" color="">ok.</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="770" ref="-1" time="01:30:34" date="29/11/2007" oldid="490" color="">i think i'm satisfied with our talk.</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="771" ref="-1" time="01:30:40" date="29/11/2007" oldid="491" color="">this should be enaough</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="772" ref="-1" time="01:30:45" date="29/11/2007" oldid="492" color="">what do you think ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="773">
			<Utterance genid="774" ref="-1" time="01:31:11" date="29/11/2007" oldid="493" color="">I think that spech is more efficient and we should discuss this orally :D</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="775">
			<Utterance genid="776" ref="774" time="01:31:29" date="29/11/2007" oldid="494" color="">:)))))</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="777">
			<Utterance genid="778" ref="-1" time="01:31:35" date="29/11/2007" oldid="495" color="">yeap</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="779" ref="774" time="01:31:46" date="29/11/2007" oldid="496" color="">I agree</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="780">
			<Utterance genid="781" ref="772" time="01:31:53" date="29/11/2007" oldid="497" color="">Fine let's stop here. Conclusions were made</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="782">
			<Utterance genid="783" ref="-1" time="01:31:59" date="29/11/2007" oldid="498" color="">ok.</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="784">
			<Utterance genid="785" ref="-1" time="01:32:09" date="29/11/2007" oldid="499" color="">so chat is not so cool as I thought:D</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="786">
			<Utterance genid="787" ref="-1" time="01:32:16" date="29/11/2007" oldid="500" color="">(#user4#) , will you hand over the transcript to the good professor ?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="788">
			<Utterance genid="789" ref="-1" time="01:32:17" date="29/11/2007" oldid="501" color=""/>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="790">
			<Utterance genid="791" ref="785" time="01:32:23" date="29/11/2007" oldid="502" color="">don't get me started ;)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="792">
			<Utterance genid="793" ref="787" time="01:32:36" date="29/11/2007" oldid="503" color="">yes.</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="794">
			<Utterance genid="795" ref="-1" time="01:32:44" date="29/11/2007" oldid="504" color="">oki everyone</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="796">
			<Utterance genid="797" ref="793" time="01:32:58" date="29/11/2007" oldid="505" color="">ok. please be kind to put our emails in carbon copy for te email</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="798">
			<Utterance genid="799" ref="-1" time="01:33:16" date="29/11/2007" oldid="506" color="">thanks (#user4#)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="800">
			<Utterance genid="801" ref="-1" time="01:33:24" date="29/11/2007" oldid="507" color="">thaks everybody</Utterance>
			<Utterance genid="802" ref="-1" time="01:33:26" date="29/11/2007" oldid="508" color="">good effort</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="803">
			<Utterance genid="804" ref="-1" time="01:33:31" date="29/11/2007" oldid="509" color="">:)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="805">
			<Utterance genid="806" ref="-1" time="01:33:32" date="29/11/2007" oldid="510" color="">and finally....</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="807">
			<Utterance genid="808" ref="-1" time="01:33:36" date="29/11/2007" oldid="511" color="">----------------------------------THE END---------------------------------</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user2#)" genid="809">
			<Utterance genid="810" ref="-1" time="01:33:41" date="29/11/2007" oldid="512" color="">GOOD NIGHT!!</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)" genid="811">
			<Utterance genid="812" ref="-1" time="01:33:48" date="29/11/2007" oldid="513" color="">good night everyone</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user0#)" genid="813">
			<Utterance genid="814" ref="-1" time="01:33:53" date="29/11/2007" oldid="514" color="">good night</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)" genid="815">
			<Utterance genid="816" ref="-1" time="01:34:04" date="29/11/2007" oldid="515" color="">good night everybody</Utterance>
		</Turn>
	</Body>
</Dialog>