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			<Utterance genid="2" time="05.26.36" ref="0">hello</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="3" time="05.27.09" ref="0">this is a test</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="4" time="05.33.01" ref="0">This is a reference to a previous statement</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="5" time="05.35.28" ref="3">This time is a real reference</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="6" time="05.39.10" ref="5">a reference to a reference</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="32" time="10.14.24" ref="0">hi, everybody</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="33" time="10.14.38" ref="0">hello</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="34" time="10.15.12" ref="0">hello</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="35" time="10.15.25" ref="0">let's start by presenting what technology each of us supports</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="36" time="10.15.44" ref="0">my company is developing chat software</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="37" time="10.16.10" ref="NaN">my company is a blog software developer</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="38" time="10.16.32" ref="0">i would like to present forum applications</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="40" time="10.26.59" ref="0">hi everybody</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="41" time="10.27.42" ref="0">nice to meet you in this special night</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="42" time="10.29.29" ref="0">i have chosen wiki</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="43" time="10.29.34" ref="0">Let's discuss about the technologies that we are presenting. I suggest that we start by giving the number one reason why each of us thinks his/her technology is the best for web collaboration.</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="44" time="10.29.53" ref="0">I'll start.</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="45" time="10.30.13" ref="0">I think that chat rooms are the only way to host live events.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="46" time="10.30.19" ref="NaN">i will start by saing that blogs are probably the easiest way to have a website. With blog software, it literally takes minutes to have a professional looking site up and running.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="47" time="10.30.57" ref="0">Forums provide mechanisms for people to share opinions and views in a controlled environment</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="48" time="10.31.58" ref="0">ok live events ..but sometimes they tend very messy</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="49" time="10.32.10" ref="46">well, yes, but we're not talking about websites here</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="50" time="10.32.32" ref="0">The blogs in my opinion is not a website</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="51" time="10.32.46" ref="46">we're talknig about web collaboration</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="52" time="10.33.04" ref="0">It is a method for express personal ideas</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="53" time="10.33.36" ref="52">and personal ideas, don't necessarily lead to collaboration</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="54" time="10.34.02" ref="50">it'a a vert simple way to inform your customers for example of your technologies...to give them a possibility to do feedback...</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="55" time="10.34.04" ref="0">interaction with other users is limited</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="56" time="10.34.11" ref="0">true</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="57" time="10.34.42" ref="53">there are a number of corporate blogs that sustain my ideea :)</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="58" time="10.35.09" ref="47">I agree, but a controlled envoronment could lead to people not beeing able to express themselves freely. many forums are moderated</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="59" time="10.35.56" ref="58">not entirely true, they express freely and only offtopic discussions are deleted</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="60" time="10.36.14" ref="58">that gives people the feeling that somebody in that company is intrested about the product and gives them infos</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="61" time="10.36.44" ref="58">and so, one user can easily follow one thread</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="62" time="10.37.43" ref="0">the main advantage of the wiki i thik is that the information is well structured</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="63" time="10.38.04" ref="0">can be also forum and blog</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="64" time="10.38.38" ref="60">yes, but in order to feel that somebody is interested in you, you have to have responsiveness. You don't get it with blogs. You get it with chat.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="65" time="10.39.05" ref="64">but chat can be very chaotic</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="66" time="10.39.27" ref="65">in a blog is much simpler....</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="67" time="10.39.56" ref="64">and at one point, one may not understand the main ideas in a conversation</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="68" time="10.40.21" ref="66">you post your ideea and who is intrested in them reads and gives responses...</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="69" time="10.40.21" ref="65">true, but may I point out what kind of software we are using right now? Chat can be structured. You can make references to other posts. I wonder why we are not using blogs or forums? :P</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="70" time="10.40.30" ref="68">but blogs don't allow users to share opinions in an effective matter, they can only add comments</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="71" time="10.40.31" ref="0">a blog it is simple but not complet</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="72" time="10.40.41" ref="0">true</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="73" time="10.41.05" ref="69">this chat maybe isn't the best example it is kind of buggy</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="74" time="10.41.28" ref="69">they can be easily structured for few users, but for more user, it is getting too messy</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="75" time="10.41.38" ref="73">true, but the solutions that my company is developing are not buggy.</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="76" time="10.41.48" ref="73">the can be used temporally</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="77" time="10.42.13" ref="62">the information may be structured, but how long does it take to get there?</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="78" time="10.42.14" ref="0">the chat can be used temporally</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="79" time="10.42.17" ref="75">and we have to believe your word :P</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="80" time="10.42.35" ref="0">and also, forums allow yout to edit the post, that is one important thing in collaborative learning</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="81" time="10.42.40" ref="79">no, just let my sales numbers speak for themselves</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="82" time="10.42.55" ref="0">a wiki page is easy to acces</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="83" time="10.43.12" ref="82">it's true, but it's also easy to vandalize</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="84" time="10.43.34" ref="83">there are numerous examples of people giving fake information on wikis</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="85" time="10.43.37" ref="82">easy to access but hard to collaborate...wikis are more like a dictionary....</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="86" time="10.43.46" ref="82">and it has bulk, not very structured material, or with too much information</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="87" time="10.43.53" ref="0">more and more companymore and more company use for in house information the wiki technology</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="88" time="10.44.43" ref="87">you are right if it is used inside a company it will be controlled</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="89" time="10.45.08" ref="0">antoher advantage about forums is that they allow parallel conversations</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="90" time="10.45.12" ref="0">what about spam? i think chat has the least spam from all of these systems</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="91" time="10.45.25" ref="0">each user may be engaged in more conversations</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="92" time="10.46.00" ref="0">blogs...i don't thinks so....</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="93" time="10.46.01" ref="89">so does chat? but does it allow private conversations? everybody can read the whole blog</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="94" time="10.46.14" ref="90">true, because with chats it is harder to have something else than text</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="95" time="10.46.42" ref="92">blogs have no spam at all....from the hosts point of view</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="96" time="10.46.47" ref="0">forums let you share pictures(maybe users are interested in exchanging some graphics)</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="97" time="10.46.50" ref="94">not true. what about whiteboards? presentations? voice chat or video chat?</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="98" time="10.47.09" ref="0">I want to say something. We are talking here about 2 conflicts: wiki vs blog, forum vs chat</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="99" time="10.47.33" ref="0">i can't compare the chat with the wiki</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="100" time="10.47.46" ref="98">we're talking about what is the best product to use for web collaboration</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="101" time="10.48.07" ref="100">I think that in order to collaborate time is of the essence</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="102" time="10.48.10" ref="0">it is 2 different technology</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="103" time="10.48.43" ref="101">indeed, for short time collaboration or for a specific issue, chats are ok</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="104" time="10.49.03" ref="98">not necessarly, blogs are very simmilar to forums...only that are soted by author</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="105" time="10.49.17" ref="0">i my company want to use one of the others 3 technology, i will use the chat</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="106" time="10.49.34" ref="105">thank you :)</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="107" time="10.49.45" ref="104">they are more liniar, and forums are tree-like</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="108" time="10.50.02" ref="0">Why? because can be use in real time</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="109" time="10.50.23" ref="108">you are somethind :)</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="110" time="10.50.37" ref="108">and usualy, you tend to have more trust in a person you chat with</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="111" time="10.50.51" ref="110">anyone can post in a forum, blog or wiki</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="112" time="10.50.52" ref="109">and who is with wiki now :P ?</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="113" time="10.51.33" ref="111">not anyone can post in a blog you need to have permissions</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="114" time="10.51.33" ref="111">not quite anyone, forums do have acces control, and user identity may be checked</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="115" time="10.51.55" ref="0">and also, unwanted or malicious users may be banned</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="116" time="10.52.09" ref="114">but if you do this, you restrict the access of some users</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="117" time="10.52.23" ref="116">that's tha whole point</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="118" time="10.52.31" ref="116">what if i have important information but don't want to create an account</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="119" time="10.52.41" ref="118">in that respect, wikis are better</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="120" time="10.52.45" ref="116">true, if they did sometring wrong, or they didn't follow the discussion rules</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="121" time="10.52.50" ref="117">some users are evil....aka spam boots</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="122" time="10.53.19" ref="121">as i said before, in regard to spam, chats have the least ammount of it</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="123" time="10.53.20" ref="118">yes, but what if you are evil and you post false information?</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="124" time="10.53.38" ref="121">i agree</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="125" time="10.54.10" ref="0">other user can change it</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="126" time="10.54.15" ref="123">that's the whole point, most people would post false informations on forums, but not on chats</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="127" time="10.54.34" ref="126">why?</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="128" time="10.54.35" ref="125">only on wikis, most forums or blogs don't allow this</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="129" time="10.54.49" ref="0">and if will post false info, this user is not your friend:)</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="130" time="10.54.50" ref="123">in blogs there is an authority....you have to be trusted to post on a corporate blog for example....so there is a content quality...not like chat ...</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="131" time="10.54.59" ref="127">it's more personal to talk live with someone</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="132" time="10.55.28" ref="0">what about scalability and flexibility? forums can easily grow without problems and they remain easy to read</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="133" time="10.56.37" ref="131">true, but for more people interested in the same subject it's harder to follow the main line</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="134" time="10.56.38" ref="132">i agree, but i think the most scalable solution is the wiki</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="135" time="10.57.17" ref="132">blogs are also easy to maintain they have an automated history so only new messages are posted</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="136" time="10.57.27" ref="134">you can build entire enciclopedias using them</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="137" time="10.57.37" ref="134">here i agree, for posting information, just information, not opinions, wikis are better</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="138" time="10.57.44" ref="0">look why I dont like the forum: if someone post relevant information is hard to find it.</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="139" time="10.57.47" ref="135">but there is only one authority managing a blog.. this could pose some problems</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="140" time="10.58.05" ref="136">like i said wiki = dictionary</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="141" time="10.58.13" ref="138">and you have to be a user on most forums to find information</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="142" time="10.58.41" ref="138">forums have search options..so you can find what you want</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="143" time="10.58.42" ref="0">it's hard to find a goog manager</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="144" time="10.58.45" ref="141">this makes it hard for search engines to index them (also true for chats).</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="145" time="10.59.20" ref="139">there are several admins....not just one :P</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="146" time="10.59.20" ref="141">if you don't have users, then you have the problems with security</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="147" time="10.59.30" ref="141">yes, but that's good, because if you are interested in the subject, you create an account only once</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="148" time="10.59.38" ref="145">usually a blog is maintained by a single person</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="149" time="11.00.16" ref="147">what about search engines (like google)? how can you make the information more widely available?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="150" time="11.00.20" ref="148">there are blogs managed by groups</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="151" time="11.00.48" ref="0">yes, but if you write the word "alah" or "kill all americans" you will be arrested</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="152" time="11.01.04" ref="150">it's true (but not generally the case). i guess you could give permissions to more than one person</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="153" time="11.01.36" ref="0">many people have been arrested for what they have write in their blogs</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="154" time="11.01.38" ref="151">that doesn't hapen with chat. you can encrypt chat</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="155" time="11.02.05" ref="153">i guess it you do something illegal, you should be arrested</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="156" time="11.02.19" ref="154">and you can easily delete the data</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="157" time="11.02.21" ref="146">this is one problem with forums...accessability...people tend not to register to forums, maiby because of the spam</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="158" time="11.02.25" ref="155">but in some cases, like in China, innocent people were sent to jail</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="159" time="11.02.35" ref="151">and we are talking about learning, why would yout ype that in collaborative learning?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="160" time="11.02.37" ref="0">i want to make joks about the americans</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="161" time="11.02.58" ref="160">we all do :)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="162" time="11.03.34" ref="159">what if you are Chineese and want to say something bad about the regime?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="163" time="11.03.52" ref="162">what do you consider the main disadvantage of blogging?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="164" time="11.04.05" ref="162">oh well though luck</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="165" time="11.04.40" ref="163">why blogging...what ablot chat? or forums :P</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="166" time="11.04.49" ref="163">I would say that it's not easy enough to use (takes time to put up a blog) and there's no responsiveness</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="167" time="11.05.14" ref="163">the main disadvantage: it is hard to follow and posts tend to be not very well structured</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="168" time="11.05.41" ref="166">in blogs there is an "amaizing feature" called comments</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="169" time="11.05.47" ref="163">what about wikis?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="170" time="11.05.56" ref="0">that allow anyone to post feedback</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="171" time="11.06.28" ref="168">yes, they are my problem; they limit your options...they aren't well structured</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="172" time="11.06.53" ref="0">Everyone can change the information, and after you post something, someone can easily change the info</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="173" time="11.07.03" ref="169">i think wikis are great for exposing info....ex wiki travel</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="174" time="11.07.14" ref="169">i think in wikis it's all aboout adding content that all are interested in</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="175" time="11.07.37" ref="169">i would say that it's biggest advantage is it's biggest disadvantage: the fact that it's public. This allows for easy vandalisation and for incorrect data to appear. And if you make them private, there's no one to generate data</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="176" time="11.08.11" ref="175">can't they be made private: i mean have groups of users who have permission to post?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="177" time="11.08.27" ref="0">But if one evil man wants to make joke, anothers 10 will repair the damage</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="178" time="11.08.29" ref="175">in all my experience i did not encounter such i thing...</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="179" time="11.08.33" ref="176">for example, in an university: only teachers can add content</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="180" time="11.09.03" ref="179">They will add correct info</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="181" time="11.09.03" ref="179">they can, but then you lose a big part of the people who can collaborate</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="182" time="11.09.16" ref="179">i agree...wikis are very usefull in a controled environments</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="183" time="11.09.22" ref="169">and what about chat?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="184" time="11.09.47" ref="0">true, that works well for tree-like organisations...well some users only read, and others post info</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="185" time="11.10.20" ref="183">chat is usefull on short term, but if you want to have persistence...chat isn't the best solution</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="186" time="11.10.36" ref="185">i agree here, and logs are hard to follow</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="187" time="11.10.50" ref="183">The most popular technology is the char</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="188" time="11.10.57" ref="187">We all use this technology</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="189" time="11.11.08" ref="183">anything on forums?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="190" time="11.11.46" ref="188">tell me when did you use the last time chat to do a homework....? besides now :P</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="191" time="11.12.01" ref="189">in all the forums is lot of spamming</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="192" time="11.12.02" ref="189">the main dissadvantage of forums is the fact that they tend to be private communities. when this doesn't happen, you get lots of flames, spam, or invaluable data</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="193" time="11.12.15" ref="190">now:D</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="194" time="11.12.26" ref="190">i do use it, when i ask my colleagues for answers :)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="195" time="11.12.49" ref="192">forums tend to be very lenghly and hard to follow</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="196" time="11.12.51" ref="0">ok, this being said, what can we do to improve our products?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="197" time="11.13.02" ref="0">how can we make them work together</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="198" time="11.13.33" ref="192">yes, true, but sometimes this is useful: you want only some people to collaborate</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="199" time="11.13.54" ref="0">wiki+chat =2423432432....$</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="200" time="11.14.01" ref="198">not every web-user who is surfing</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="201" time="11.14.26" ref="0">i have an idea... why don't we combine the strengths of each products to minimize the weaknesses</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="202" time="11.14.29" ref="0">like:</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="203" time="11.14.58" ref="0">i don't see the strength in the forums</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="204" time="11.14.59" ref="202">why not automatically generate a forum from a chat conversation</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="205" time="11.15.13" ref="0">or a wiki page</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="206" time="11.15.27" ref="204">that way you can both collaborate in real time, but also have a structured view of the data</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="207" time="11.15.30" ref="0">a forum it is much better</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="208" time="11.15.42" ref="204">yes, combining them would be very useful</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="209" time="11.15.50" ref="0">and we produce a wiki-blog-forum-chat all in one :)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="210" time="11.16.27" ref="209">true, anyone can post on the wiki, and select articles can be post on blogs</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="211" time="11.16.34" ref="0">we can make a wiki entry for most popular blogs</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="212" time="11.16.38" ref="210">a forum which provides acces to it's own wiki: users can easily acces the info in wiki</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="213" time="11.16.42" ref="206">i think that is the idee of this concertChat by allowing us to make references</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="214" time="11.16.53" ref="210">people can organize them selves on forums and meet realtime in chat rooms</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="215" time="11.17.19" ref="212">all main ideeas will be posted on a blog...</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="216" time="11.17.32" ref="214">true, if they want to have smaller conversations, and with not such great interest</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="217" time="11.17.47" ref="215">and updated daily</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="218" time="11.18.10" ref="213">yes, i said upper, the wiki can be easily repair. Everyone can do it</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="219" time="11.19.00" ref="218">then, if we think an article is complete, we can lock it, or post it on a blog, so it will not be vandalized</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="220" time="11.20.00" ref="219">future users will be able then to post only comments, and not to modify it</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="221" time="11.20.26" ref="0">i propose that we put on a scale(on the whiteboard) the technologies sorted by....responsiveness</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="222" time="11.23.53" ref="NaN">so, we would have the wiki server</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="223" time="11.24.42" ref="0">let's be honest</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="224" time="11.24.44" ref="NaN">the chat server</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="225" time="11.24.55" ref="NaN">the forum</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="226" time="11.25.18" ref="0">if we are working on a big project, what thechnology will use first?</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="227" time="11.25.23" ref="NaN">and the blog</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="228" time="11.25.29" ref="0">the chat</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="229" time="11.25.39" ref="NaN">true, the chat</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="230" time="11.25.47" ref="0">after this, will use the wiki, for posterity</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="231" time="11.26.17" ref="NaN">then, we could organize our community with the help of a forum</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="232" time="11.26.25" ref="0">after this two technology, will use the forums, for searching information</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="233" time="11.26.42" ref="NaN">write articles on a wiki</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="234" time="11.26.44" ref="0">and at least will use a blog, for personal ideas</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="235" time="11.27.10" ref="NaN">select the best articles and post them on the blogs</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="236" time="11.27.45" ref="NaN">also give the possibility to others to post discret comments</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="237" time="11.28.05" ref="NaN">and then users may talk again on the chat about the posts on the blog</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="238" time="11.28.08" ref="NaN">all chat messages will be saved into the forums, and forums, wikis and blogs will allow search queries</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="239" time="11.28.09" ref="0">but after the project is finisher, will use only the wiki page</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="240" time="11.28.41" ref="239">no, i think we can keep the whole project. the wiki page can be the one made public</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="241" time="11.29.15" ref="0">it is hard to find something good in a hundreds of Conversations</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="242" time="11.29.18" ref="240">the whole project may be saved in a database</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="243" time="11.29.58" ref="241">that's why we have the wiki... we are combining the strengths of all our technologies to overcome their weaknesses</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="244" time="11.31.07" ref="243">i totally agree ...this sound like a good ideea</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="245" time="11.32.11" ref="243">yes, we could build a complete application to meet the needs of every kind of user</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="246" time="11.32.33" ref="245">and not only every kind of user... every group of users</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="247" time="11.32.56" ref="246">true :)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="248" time="11.33.18" ref="246">today beeing apart of a group/interacting with others is very important.</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="249" time="11.34.35" ref="0">i thnik that is difficult to implement all four in just one application</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="250" time="11.34.53" ref="248">Each individual may work on one subtask and the group (as a whole or a manager) merges the results</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="251" time="11.34.56" ref="0">because all of them are different</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="252" time="11.35.05" ref="249">i agree. that's why we have to build independend modules which will intercooperate</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="253" time="11.35.40" ref="NaN">everything will be merged in the central database</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="254" time="11.35.52" ref="252">and if one use is not interested in one module, he/she doesn't have to use it</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="255" time="11.36.11" ref="254">thus, we can give more options to the clients</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="256" time="11.36.12" ref="NaN">i propose to be oracle :P</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="257" time="11.37.07" ref="256">many big corporations use oracle. but we could also use something free, like mysql. or we could develop an inhouse database.</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="258" time="11.37.25" ref="256">lol:)</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="259" time="11.38.21" ref="0">ok, i think we have all the basic information to start our collaboration</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="260" time="11.38.51" ref="259">we'll discuss the details in the later meetings</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="261" time="11.39.18" ref="260">i'll send all my best engineers to discuss technical data with all your best engineers, if that's ok with you</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="262" time="11.39.32" ref="261">ok, that's great</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="263" time="11.41.45" ref="260">i hope we will have a fructuos collaboration from now on</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="264" time="11.41.55" ref="262">ok, i'll have my secretary set up the details</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="265" time="11.42.00" ref="0">nice to talk with you</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="266" time="11.42.07" ref="0">good night everybody</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="267" time="11.42.21" ref="0">goodbye</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="268" time="11.42.30" ref="0">bye bye</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="269" time="11.43.33" ref="0">good night everyboty</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user6#)">
			<Utterance genid="270" time="11.45.36" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="271" time="11.48.19" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="272" time="11.48.21" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
		</Turn>
		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="273" time="12.09.06" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
		</Turn>
	</Body>
</Dialog>
