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			<Utterance genid="1" time="08.48.02" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="4" time="08.48.55" ref="0">proba proba</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="5" time="08.49.03" ref="0">Hello</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="6" time="08.49.13" ref="0">Hello everybody!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="7" time="08.50.17" ref="5">This a point</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="8" time="08.51.14" ref="0">this is a point</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="9" time="08.51.21" ref="0">-&gt; point</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="11" time="08.52.36" ref="6">Hello to you too</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="12" time="08.53.21" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="13" time="08.54.06" ref="9">text test de proba</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="14" time="08.54.34" ref="11">alta proba</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="15" time="08.54.55" ref="9">I don't think it's like this...</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="17" time="08.55.52" ref="0">Hello again (#user0#)!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="18" time="08.57.07" ref="0">(#user0#), you there?</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="19" time="08.57.33" ref="0">(#user3#) here</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="20" time="08.59.25" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="21" time="09.01.33" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="22" time="09.09.48" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="23" time="09.10.00" ref="0">Hello world!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="24" time="09.11.22" ref="0">Good evening gentlemen! How are you?</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="25" time="09.11.24" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="26" time="09.11.49" ref="0">Good evening (#user0#). We've been waiting for you. Glad that you could come!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="27" time="09.14.01" ref="24">We are fine!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="28" time="09.19.31" ref="0">Tonight I am going to showcase the importance of forums for communication and learning.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="31" time="09.20.31" ref="0">Hello, i will present the benefits of wiki as a collaborative tool in learning</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="32" time="09.22.05" ref="0">Goodevening again. I will show what are the advantages in using blogs topresent information and how to use them in collaborative learning.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="33" time="09.22.41" ref="0">Well, as a proud owner of several chatrooms ( :) ) I'll give you a general look about chatrooms</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="34" time="09.22.59" ref="0">Aren't chatrooms, like this one great?</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="35" time="09.23.42" ref="0">Sitting in your home, and changing info to some intelligent guys ?</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="36" time="09.26.12" ref="35">Well...I must disagree. How do I know whom I am speaking with in a chatroom?It's not like not everybody has access to most of them...</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="39" time="09.26.52" ref="35">Today most chatrooms are populated by kids who don't even talk proper english.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="40" time="09.27.47" ref="36">Thisis one strong point of blogs: you can take your time before expressingyour opinion, review and then post your message for the world.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="41" time="09.29.39" ref="40">Sameis true for Forums, however forums have more added advantages, such asthe ability to have separate categories for different topics andeveryone can start a new discussion.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="42" time="09.30.46" ref="36">chatroomsprovide instant chating (doh) , how do I know that a wiChatting is purefun, you don't really want to know whom you're talking with, maybelater if he/she can make an eligible and pleasant conversation...</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="43" time="09.33.20" ref="42">Andcan you use that to transmit information or teach something to others?People aren't online at the same time, you need a place to store thatinformation so people can see it later when they surf the net. Forumsgive that possibility to you, chatrooms don't.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="44" time="09.33.30" ref="0">How can you use*...</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="45" time="09.33.56" ref="42">Sohow does this help in educational communications? If you're talking toanyone, are you sure you won't get all the information incorrect? Blogswon't give you that because you're always seeing other people'scomments after each posting.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="46" time="09.38.56" ref="NaN">Afterall...Chatrooms can get so messy in terms of human interface... Just look howclean is the blog page versus the dark, crowded chatroom. One bigdisadvantage is that it's sometimes too much for the human brain toaccomodate!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="47" time="09.44.16" ref="0">Howeverguys, one thing blogs and chatrooms and wiki also are missing ismembership of the people involved. In chatrooms everyone is anonymous,in blogs the people who leave comments are anonymous, on wiki everyonecan tell a story about a cat on a page about space exploration. Forumsallow only members to post, and for organizations, new members mustfirst leave an application form before being granted membership and theright to post threads or reply. This is why forums are the best.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="48" time="09.44.35" ref="0">as we speak about collaborative learning, wiki is a very good choice</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="49" time="09.47.14" ref="0">bycreating and editing web pages, the users contribute to enrichment ofknowledge and have the posibility to offer feed-back in a efficient way</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="50" time="09.47.55" ref="0">Blogsare like an online diary: one can write his own opinions and let othermake comments of theirown.Let's take for example a researcher (teacher) that makes his workpublic. Blogs are an excellent tool for this kind of activity: theyusually offer a nice webinterface to enter data in form of text,pictures, sounds, video (even live streaming), security systems toauthenticate and many other features: it's actually a webpage wheredata is entered in cronological order. You can use any web technologyto enhance your blog.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="51" time="09.49.18" ref="50">Let'stake a reasearch center with 200 teachers in 5 scientific domains. Eachone can start threads in their category and make their informationpublic, and also get some feedback from their students. Forum power!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="52" time="09.49.43" ref="47">Becauseblogs can make use of any available technology, you can actuallyenforce membership by invitation only, so only a select group can replyto owner's posts.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="53" time="09.52.41" ref="0">the wiki definition is short and simple: a system that allows web pages to be created and edited using a common web browser</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="54" time="09.53.01" ref="0">so, is user friendly</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="55" time="09.53.24" ref="49">Isn'tthis too hard to do? They have to know how to modify the page.Also: what about information that can be modified by anyone? (Like inthis chat for example -- I am trying to draw something and others candelete and mess up my work...)In blogs, only the owner can add new postings. Readers can only makecomments and eventually grade the articles.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="56" time="09.55.02" ref="0">you can think of a wiki as a "self-adjusted encyclopedia"</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="57" time="09.55.55" ref="56">Exactly my point: how can you controll who is adjusting it?</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="58" time="10.00.00" ref="57">ifthe subject being adjusted is interesting and many people doparticipate, wrong information, malicious words or undesired materialfor that subject will be corrected by a majority of well informed,honest people</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="59" time="10.00.55" ref="0">so, put this way: the "control" is distributed to many agents, not just one entity like an administrator</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="60" time="10.03.58" ref="0">Ijust want to tell you about a simple scenario: You are a student (so ofcourse you are --very-- busy). You are not living next to theuniversity you attend, so you are losing 2 hours / day in the metrotransit. What are you going to do? Loose that time? No! You can easilyget to anyone's blog and read the info there. Forums and chats arealmost impossible to use because of the phone's keyboard. Most mobilebrowsers have RSS feeds readers so you'll easily know if there's a newpost to any of the blogs you're interested in. Wikis cannot have thatbecause they are not organised chronologically.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="61" time="10.05.02" ref="57">agood metaphor : wiki is a democratic regime with market economy, whileadministrated blogs and forums are disciplined societies ruled bydictatorship</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="62" time="10.05.08" ref="58">Ihope you don't mind... but I'm just not quite sure what the honest toinhonest ratio is on the Internet. (I think it can be less than 1)</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="63" time="10.07.00" ref="43">somebloggers especially those with heavy traffic or massive readership arereluctant to allow blog comments. A highly trafficked blog would need astaff to manage the influx of comments. Comments can be lots of workand if not managed properly can reflect poorly on a company blog or acelebrity blog.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="64" time="10.08.34" ref="62">thinkof subjetc like "fourier transforms" or "parallel algorithms", orenglish literature : who would be "indecent" or "malicious" ?</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="65" time="10.09.39" ref="0">unlike blogs on newspapers sites, where the argument turns really ugly: violent language, suburban language</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="66" time="10.10.26" ref="61">Nicelysaid! But that's only the technical part of blogs... I mean sociallythere is nothing dictatorial about blogs. Take for example the Iraq warblogs that saw bloggers taking measured and passionate points of viewthat go beyond the traditional left-right divide of the politicalspectrum.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="67" time="10.11.40" ref="0">I hate when a wiki page crashes like that...</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="68" time="10.12.38" ref="0">Yeah, on a forum a thread like that would be flamed to the ground. There is no passion in war.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="69" time="10.13.25" ref="67">My point same as (#user0#). On a blog, the blog owner isn't controlled, he can say anything, and no one can stop him. He's the boss.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="71" time="10.13.51" ref="64">Iguess the same people that are called "script-kiddies" and calltheirselves "hackers"... People that are just frustrated and need todestroy instead of help enhance: too many highschoolers like that. Idon't think it's well suited for educational communications...</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="72" time="10.14.49" ref="0">Whensomeone looks for some information, a blog can't give him certainty.Commenters are specially chosen, the owner is not under control. On aforum or on a wiki the crowd gives credibility to the information.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="73" time="10.15.28" ref="63">You are right, but I think you can always restrict who can make comments by using some sort of authentication.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="74" time="10.15.34" ref="0">Blogs can be used for propaganda.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="75" time="10.15.47" ref="0">And go undetected.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="76" time="10.16.06" ref="74">What about freedom of speech?</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="77" time="10.18.12" ref="76">It is all about a private message, or go public!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="78" time="10.18.17" ref="76">Collaborative learning = best way to transmit information with a high degree of credibility</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="79" time="10.19.01" ref="78">I agree. How can we make this work then? Can this problem of collaborative learning be solved using our products?</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="80" time="10.19.07" ref="71">returning to educational community: think of the moments when you looked for something on wikipedia</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="81" time="10.19.57" ref="0">the search engine, the definition of the unknown notion</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="82" time="10.20.14" ref="0">that becomes clear</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="83" time="10.21.01" ref="0">and the well constructed article below</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="84" time="10.21.40" ref="0">then you have links to all important concepts in the text.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="85" time="10.22.07" ref="0">question : do forums or blogs offer these facilities</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="86" time="10.22.13" ref="0">?</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="87" time="10.22.21" ref="84">Yes, wikipedia is the start of a query for me, but then i go to the forum of a specialised site to get more indepth info</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="88" time="10.22.32" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="89" time="10.25.14" ref="0">Gentleman.I have placed the four solutions on the whiteboard. Let's see how weintegrate these together into a system by adding subnodes that explainwhat we can do with each in a complete e-learning solution.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="90" time="10.26.12" ref="NaN">Somewell chosen moderators can rid off those nasty kids, and I just found,last week, in a tech chatroom some nice guys who are able&amp;willin'be the moderators for a couple of my channels</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="91" time="10.30.15" ref="0">we shall our know-how to make the best use of our separate products by combining them in one integrated tool</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="92" time="10.30.59" ref="0">I think that we can use all of them because it's clear that they have different qualities for example- Wikis for courses or homework assignments- Blogs for ideas for homeworks or solutions (of course with the pages password protected, accessible only by teachers)- Forums for discussions about the homeworks -- will be used as reference for modifications in the Wiki pages- Chats for easy secure and reliable communication between students</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="93" time="10.31.54" ref="0">Yeah,let's think of a joint venture for our companies to create a product tocombine them all, an all-in-one learning application for large groups.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="94" time="10.33.10" ref="92">so, wiki is the perfect tool to create semantic networks as tools for knowledge representation</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="95" time="10.33.14" ref="87">I propouse to give chatting options for the registrated users</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="96" time="10.33.58" ref="91">Let all think how his product will integrate better and what value it adds to the joint product.</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
			<Utterance genid="97" time="10.34.34" ref="0">chatting options are quite good when you deal with real-time processes, like our assignment today</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="98" time="10.35.29" ref="0">or other projects when people are working separate, then discuss their progress in real-time</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="99" time="10.37.03" ref="0">A forum for proposing new projects and seek out aproval from others</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user4#)">
			<Utterance genid="100" time="10.37.13" ref="0">I am thinking of adding RSS Feeds to blogs and enhance the content for small embedded-moble devices.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="101" time="10.37.50" ref="0">And schedule meetings: A forum is great for scheduling a meeting and requiring everyon to sign that they will attend.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="102" time="10.40.39" ref="NaN">Authentication will be used so ideas and explanation on how the homework was completed cannot be shared between students.</Utterance>
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		<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
			<Utterance genid="103" time="10.43.12" ref="93">For fun, the students can test their knowledges in a trivia channel</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="104" time="10.43.17" ref="0">Soto sum up, an eLearning application with a main forum for proposingideas and discussing them, chatrooms for brainstorming and creating newideas, a wiki for actually building the project step by step withediting and editing, and blogs for people to express their opinionsabout the progress of things inside and outside the organisation.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="105" time="10.43.39" ref="0">What do you guys think? If you have anything to add, please do so :)</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="106" time="10.44.47" ref="102">Chatsand Forums can be easily auto-summarised and the summaries integratedin a blog. This way mobile-users can have access to that data throughRSS.</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="107" time="10.47.15" ref="0">Ok guys, I guess that's it. This has been a very constructive meeting. We will be rich soon!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="108" time="10.47.28" ref="0">Good night all!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="109" time="10.48.40" ref="0">Yes. It has been a pleasure attending to this meeting. Let's do this again soon.Good night. May this be the start of a big and profitable joint-venture!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="110" time="10.50.51" ref="0">Nice chatting here. We must do this again soon. My regards. Keep in touch!</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="111" time="10.52.14" ref="0">what is really important: we don't know each other personally, yet we could analyse and synthesize a nice tool</Utterance>
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			<Utterance genid="112" time="10.54.14" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
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