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				<Utterance genid="1" time="08.42.42" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="2" time="08.43.11" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="3" time="08.43.33" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="4" time="08.43.45" ref="0">hey</Utterance>
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				<Utterance genid="5" time="08.44.31" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="6" time="08.45.53" ref="0">Hello Razvan</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="7" time="08.45.55" ref="0">how are you</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="8" time="08.47.05" ref="7">fine thank you. Getting ready for the chat.</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="9" time="08.48.08" ref="0">ok let</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="10" time="08.48.17" ref="0">let's give the others some time to join then :)</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="11" time="08.48.55" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="12" time="08.49.08" ref="0">here i am :)</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="13" time="08.49.11" ref="0">Welcome :)</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="14" time="08.49.45" ref="0">brb</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="15" time="08.49.47" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="16" time="08.50.14" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="17" time="08.50.38" ref="0">back with changed name</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="18" time="08.50.43" ref="0">who's missing?</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="19" time="08.51.07" ref="0">i'm going to change my name to have those nice [ ] around the group name :D . brb</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="20" time="08.51.10" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="21" time="08.52.00" ref="0">he he we established a naming convention</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="22" time="08.52.05" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="23" time="08.53.07" ref="0">it seems there's one person missing</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="24" time="08.54.58" ref="0">well, waiting..</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="25" time="08.55.29" ref="0">ok let me ask</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="26" time="08.57.32" ref="0">some java problem...</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="27" time="08.57.49" ref="0">must admit if this highlited in the bar, it would have been cooler</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="28" time="08.58.18" ref="0">press button that sounds when new message is typed</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="29" time="08.58.23" ref="0">well you can click the bell button and it will make a sound when somebody wrote a message</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="30" time="08.59.37" ref="0">cool...now what does this button do?</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="31" time="08.59.51" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="32" time="08.59.58" ref="0">don't push the red button</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="33" time="09.00.06" ref="30">ups ...too late</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="34" time="09.00.51" ref="NaN">umm</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="35" time="09.01.55" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="36" time="09.02.03" ref="0">Ah, finally.</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="37" time="09.02.07" ref="0">Good evening everyone.</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="38" time="09.02.14" ref="0">My apologies for the delay :)</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="39" time="09.02.17" ref="0">ok i seems i am the only one forgetting i am in the 5th year :)</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="40" time="09.02.40" ref="39">Sorry?</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="41" time="09.02.49" ref="0">the name in the brackets</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="42" time="09.02.49" ref="0">The mental age is more important than the physical age :)</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="43" time="09.02.50" ref="0">:D</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="44" time="09.03.26" ref="0">nevermind it, whoever sends the log please search and replace [351C2] with [351C2]</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="45" time="09.03.38" ref="0">It's normal girl behaviour ...you lie about your age.</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="46" time="09.03.46" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
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				<Utterance genid="47" time="09.04.00" ref="0">ok so guys if you're ready to start, i can go first on the wikis</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="48" time="09.04.06" ref="0">shall we?</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="49" time="09.04.21" ref="0">let's do this</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="50" time="09.04.27" ref="0">ok</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="51" time="09.04.30" ref="49">agreed</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="52" time="09.04.34" ref="0">so First of all good evening everyone</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="53" time="09.04.51" ref="0">the purpose of this meeting is to discuss the use of web 2.0 tools in modern educational systems</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="54" time="09.04.58" ref="0">blogs, wikis, chats, forums</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="55" time="09.05.29" ref="0">personally I am a big fan of wikis and strongly recommend them as LMS</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="56" time="09.05.34" ref="0">Learning Management Systems</Utterance>
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				<Utterance genid="57" time="09.06.01" ref="0">they represent the perfect solution for sharing information</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="58" time="09.06.12" ref="0">between teachers, students, asisstents</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="59" time="09.06.28" ref="0">they are extremely easy to use</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="60" time="09.06.31" ref="0">and setup</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="61" time="09.06.50" ref="0">they provide the what you see is what you get features of CMS</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="62" time="09.07.02" ref="0">without all the extra hastle involved in installing such a system</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="63" time="09.07.41" ref="61">I tend to disagree; most wikis have a text-only "source", which then gets rendered</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="64" time="09.08.13" ref="0">i believe that they are quite customizable, and as we are talking about computer science</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="65" time="09.08.27" ref="0">features to add rss feeds, file sharing and so on</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="66" time="09.08.32" ref="0">are quite easy to implement</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="67" time="09.08.49" ref="0">this has already been done on enterprise versions of wikis</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="68" time="09.09.11" ref="0">who also have increased security setups, posibillity to send text via email and so on</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="69" time="09.09.30" ref="0">i am not saying they are end of the line</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="70" time="09.09.39" ref="0">just that due to the easiness to use and set up</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="71" time="09.09.48" ref="0">wikis have exploded on the educational market</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="72" time="09.09.57" ref="0">and they embed only what you need</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="73" time="09.10.16" ref="0">users tend to be scared away by a multitude of features that they need to figure out</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="74" time="09.10.22" ref="65">The thing that I think would be a problem with wikis is that they will not allow a person to keep track of the latest information added. Ok RSS are good but not everybody wants to use an RSS feed reader.</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="75" time="09.11.13" ref="0">wikis can have owners per article</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="76" time="09.11.21" ref="72">wikis seldom have near-realtime discussion systems</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="77" time="09.12.06" ref="76">their discussion pages tend to get easily cluttered if there are any lengthy debates</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="78" time="09.12.08" ref="73">wikis can sometimes bee to complicated for user to .. use</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="79" time="09.12.12" ref="0">their purpose is not to provide real time discussions</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="80" time="09.12.22" ref="0">rather than be a collaborative tool</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="81" time="09.12.25" ref="0">to share information</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="82" time="09.12.38" ref="0">let's say you would like to get more info on classes before enrolling</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="83" time="09.12.41" ref="0">blogs and forums do that alsoo</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="84" time="09.13.09" ref="0">you can have the teacher post the description, former students opinions, assistents - all in one single place</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="85" time="09.13.19" ref="80">i think wikis are not actually a collaborative tool</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="86" time="09.13.21" ref="0">forums are very difficult to keep track of</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="87" time="09.13.29" ref="0">if i want to know what something is about</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="88" time="09.13.37" ref="0">i dont want to go through 100 pages of posts</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="89" time="09.13.38" ref="0">more like a user that knows about smth and then edits it up on the wiki</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="90" time="09.13.41" ref="0">Ok one thing that we need to keep in mind is that this conversation should be focused on the use of wikis,blogs etc from the perspective of the owner of a company of some sort.</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="91" time="09.13.41" ref="0">to find out</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="92" time="09.13.51" ref="0">and other users read it</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="93" time="09.14.22" ref="0">honestly, the most colaborative tool is chat</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="94" time="09.14.44" ref="0">you can't get any more interactive than that</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="95" time="09.14.46" ref="0">yes, for short messaging, instant talks it is great</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="96" time="09.14.54" ref="0">but on the long run, it rather fails</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="97" time="09.15.04" ref="0">no one wants to consult logs for vital information</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="98" time="09.15.09" ref="0">depends on the purpose</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="99" time="09.15.29" ref="0">when you need fast info, it's the fastest way to ask somebody</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="100" time="09.15.29" ref="0">i see wikis as online collaborative documentation</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="101" time="09.15.38" ref="0">enhanced by users as time goes by</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="102" time="09.15.39" ref="94">real-time chats are nice for that purpose -- real-time</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="103" time="09.15.53" ref="0">structured so it is searcheable, within categories</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="104" time="09.16.01" ref="0">blogs are great both for storing important information and also for colaborative purposes.</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="105" time="09.16.03" ref="0">so are forums for that matter</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="106" time="09.16.24" ref="0">I see forums good for debates, for keeping track of discussions</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="107" time="09.16.28" ref="0">i think we should focus on the differences between them</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="108" time="09.16.31" ref="0">rather the long-term version of chat</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="109" time="09.16.46" ref="108">precisely</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="110" time="09.16.52" ref="0">Let's try to keep this a little more structured.</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="111" time="09.17.13" ref="0">What do you think about blogs ?</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="112" time="09.17.19" ref="109">forums work for both quick and casual discussions, and long and archived talks as well</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="113" time="09.17.45" ref="0">blogs are a nice way of sharing info from a personal stand-point</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="114" time="09.18.02" ref="0">not so much technical info, but more like snippets of diverse info</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="115" time="09.18.10" ref="113">there are a lot of company blogs out there and they are pretty succesful.</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="116" time="09.18.19" ref="0">than storing info</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="117" time="09.18.19" ref="0">5 years from now</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="118" time="09.18.19" ref="0">no student would be willing to go through the archive of the forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="119" time="09.18.32" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="120" time="09.18.38" ref="0">yes because blogs look good and tend to attract people</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="121" time="09.18.49" ref="118">there are perfectly functional search functions for that</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="122" time="09.18.50" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="123" time="09.19.04" ref="0">yes but on blogs you have to set users up</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="124" time="09.19.20" ref="0">keeping threads structured by topic and category also helps</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="125" time="09.19.20" ref="0">not really, comments do the job fine</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="126" time="09.19.45" ref="0">I think wikis are cooler than blogs mostly because of structure</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="127" time="09.19.53" ref="0">they are easier to search throught</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="128" time="09.19.57" ref="0">i disagree</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="129" time="09.20.04" ref="0">let's admit wikipedia is easier to search for info</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="130" time="09.20.07" ref="0">than a blog</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="131" time="09.20.11" ref="125">this creates two layers: the original article posters, and the commenters</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="132" time="09.20.23" ref="0">A good blog with tags and topics is really easy to search through.</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="133" time="09.20.24" ref="0">blogs look a lot more friendly than wikis</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="134" time="09.20.34" ref="131">it may work for some (or many) situations, but not all</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="135" time="09.21.18" ref="0">actually apart from the user setup</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="136" time="09.21.30" ref="0">that personally I find quite an effort</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="137" time="09.21.41" ref="0">blogs are a good solution</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="138" time="09.22.01" ref="0">you know the biggest disadvantage of wikis? that anybody can input and that makes wikis a not-so-reliable source of info</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="139" time="09.22.20" ref="138">that depends on the configuration</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="140" time="09.22.24" ref="138">you could have admins that check the information.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="141" time="09.22.25" ref="0">you can restrict access</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="142" time="09.22.33" ref="0">:) not sure if you are aware of this</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="143" time="09.22.39" ref="0">we're talking about general wikis like wikipedia</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="144" time="09.22.41" ref="0">but the George Bush article on Wikipedia</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="145" time="09.22.43" ref="0">is not editable</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="146" time="09.22.50" ref="0">wonder why</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="147" time="09.22.52" ref="0">:))</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="148" time="09.22.58" ref="0">not about custom wikis and targeted wikis</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="149" time="09.22.59" ref="142">it's true that the common perception of wikis is "anyone can edit" :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="150" time="09.23.15" ref="0">one problem with wikis</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="151" time="09.23.24" ref="0">but not only wikis, but collaborative tools in general</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="152" time="09.23.25" ref="149">this is what we're talking about, not custom versions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="153" time="09.23.33" ref="0">is the 90-9-1 rulwe</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="154" time="09.23.38" ref="0">rule</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="155" time="09.23.47" ref="0">* 90% of users are "lurkers" (i.e. they read or browse but don't contribute) * 9% of users contribute from time to time, but other priorities dominate their time * 1% of users participate very often and account for most of the contributions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="156" time="09.23.48" ref="0">if we are talking about wikis in an academic environment there will be a group of people in charge with making sure that the information is accurate</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="157" time="09.24.18" ref="0">we're talkling about the general concept of wiki</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="158" time="09.24.18" ref="0">so the real danger in using forums, wikis,blogs - is that most will quietly stand by</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="159" time="09.24.28" ref="0">anything can be custom designed to fit a purpose</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="160" time="09.24.42" ref="155">you forget the other 20% or so who vandalize (in a public wiki, that is)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="161" time="09.24.45" ref="158">unlike chat :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="162" time="09.25.03" ref="158">a good blog can be written in such a manner that it will make people want to comment.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="163" time="09.25.17" ref="0">Most wiki platforms have an option to rollback to a previous version. This is the fastest way to undo vandalism</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="164" time="09.25.30" ref="158">forums don't prevent casual users from participating</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="165" time="09.25.37" ref="163">still subject to it</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="166" time="09.26.01" ref="0">i have an ideea</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="167" time="09.26.05" ref="0">you can host wikis on intranet</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="168" time="09.26.09" ref="164">if the situations allows it, you can even permit guests to post without registering -- this provides a blog-like environment, but with all the bells and whistles of a forum :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="169" time="09.26.13" ref="0">which would partly solve the issue</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="170" time="09.26.18" ref="0">(#user1#) tell us the situation where wikis are better suited tha blogs/forums/chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="171" time="09.26.59" ref="0">I see wikis as an announcement board where everyone contributes; you are in 5th year and need to have an overall look over what to choose as optionals</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="172" time="09.27.21" ref="0">you go to a wiki, you have all your options well documented. a single page for each one (not 100 posts)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="173" time="09.27.25" ref="0">read and decide</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="174" time="09.27.29" ref="0">just like a catalogue</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="175" time="09.27.34" ref="171">i personally think forums would do that better</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="176" time="09.27.35" ref="171">I'd argue that this particular situation is better suited for a forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="177" time="09.27.42" ref="0">and each year you can enhance that info</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="178" time="09.27.57" ref="0">guys, i do not mean asking for people's opinion</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="179" time="09.28.13" ref="0">have the description:this covers this and that, sample homework texts,</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="180" time="09.28.25" ref="0">forums are hard to browse. you have to search through 1000 different topics. and not everybody makes a topic with a descriptive name and stuff.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="181" time="09.28.26" ref="0">notation, comments</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="182" time="09.28.31" ref="0">all in one page</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="183" time="09.28.41" ref="0">not search a forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="184" time="09.29.02" ref="0">which is very hard to read especially when users quote each other endleslly</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="185" time="09.29.10" ref="180">you can solve that by having proper categories</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="186" time="09.29.31" ref="184">what about this</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="187" time="09.29.34" ref="180">and that, partly via educating your users, and where need be, via admin intervention :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="188" time="09.29.45" ref="0">ok we got the ideea about wikis</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="189" time="09.30.05" ref="187">i think that reality showed us that forums are hard to admin :D</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="190" time="09.30.07" ref="0">let's see situations where a forum is better suited than anything else</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="191" time="09.30.22" ref="186">that is sometimes an issue, but less so when you're using forums with threading support</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="192" time="09.30.43" ref="0">who is arguing for forums?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="193" time="09.30.44" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="194" time="09.30.50" ref="192">I am :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="195" time="09.30.56" ref="0">don't look at me - wiki 100%</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="196" time="09.31.21" ref="0">so tell us</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="197" time="09.31.28" ref="190">as the name implies, forums are a natural solution where people need to colaborate on an issue as a group</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="198" time="09.31.34" ref="197">not necessarily in real-time</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="199" time="09.31.59" ref="198">also, forum software can be enhanced with a multitude of add-ons</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="200" time="09.32.19" ref="199">polls are a popular example</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="201" time="09.32.56" ref="0">forums are hard to keep track of on the long-run though</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="202" time="09.33.00" ref="199">virtual pets are another, but that's not entirely useful for collaboration :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="203" time="09.33.26" ref="201">for tracking new messages on threads you're interested in, you can configure the software to send email</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="204" time="09.33.30" ref="0">depends on their purpose</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="205" time="09.33.34" ref="203">or notify you via jabber</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="206" time="09.33.42" ref="0">i like the polls idea though and i think forums are good for medium term assignaments</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="207" time="09.34.02" ref="0">i think everyone is quite aware how hard is to track notification emails</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="208" time="09.34.03" ref="0">i see wikis more like a enciclopedia and forums more like an online opinion sharing area</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="209" time="09.34.16" ref="203">and if people prefer mail, you can set up a bidirectional forum-to-mail gateway</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="210" time="09.34.21" ref="0">so they have a somewhat different purpose</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="211" time="09.34.31" ref="0">just think about how hard it would be for you to find something on...networking midterm last year</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="212" time="09.34.39" ref="0">in the million emails you got from forums</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="213" time="09.34.50" ref="0">not emails, search on a forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="214" time="09.34.54" ref="0">Let's think about how hard is for me to keep track of all the changes to a LPD homework via the forum and the mails.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="215" time="09.34.57" ref="0">forget about emails</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="216" time="09.35.18" ref="200">i like this option</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="217" time="09.35.27" ref="0">on this subject, the forum is the best way to hanle things</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="218" time="09.35.33" ref="0">lpd homework i mean</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="219" time="09.35.39" ref="214">that's an implementation issue of _that_ forum, with which I fully agree :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="220" time="09.35.42" ref="0">wiki can't handle it</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="221" time="09.35.57" ref="0">yes, wiki's are not meant to be a troubleshooting area :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="222" time="09.36.05" ref="0">exaclty</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="223" time="09.36.33" ref="220">true, for a homework assignment it's useful to have the full history to go through</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="224" time="09.36.35" ref="0">the thing i dislike in forums are the flame wars</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="225" time="09.36.46" ref="224">you can have flamewars anywhere, sadly</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="226" time="09.36.56" ref="0">don't focus on specific stuff like flames</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="227" time="09.37.05" ref="0">it is the exact same thing as wiki vandalizers</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="228" time="09.37.13" ref="227">*nod*</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="229" time="09.37.14" ref="0">no, my point was</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="230" time="09.37.16" ref="0">each has it's ups and downs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="231" time="09.37.24" ref="0">that forums have the tendecy to create a hierachy</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="232" time="09.37.24" ref="0">Yes .. you can disrupt any means of communication if you want to.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="233" time="09.37.26" ref="0">among users</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="234" time="09.37.39" ref="0">a few leaders, that dominate</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="235" time="09.37.45" ref="231">i tend to disagree</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="236" time="09.37.52" ref="0">that's why flame wars erupt :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="237" time="09.38.07" ref="231">that's not an intrinsic property of forums (rather, that's what happens on blogs)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="238" time="09.38.15" ref="237">agree</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="239" time="09.38.18" ref="0">i think that the hierarchy is a good thing about forums.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="240" time="09.38.32" ref="0">well not when you disagree with the alpha</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="241" time="09.38.40" ref="0">and you get 1000 others explaining how wrong you are</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="242" time="09.38.53" ref="0">see, can't do that with wikis</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="243" time="09.38.54" ref="0">you can have that on a blog also.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="244" time="09.39.27" ref="0">the thing about hierarchy in forums is that most of the people with a lot of entries know something about the main topic of the forum.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="245" time="09.40.00" ref="0">so if let's say that a user has a lot of posts in the LPD section of the forum he could be a person that's passionate and has some knowledge</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="246" time="09.40.16" ref="0">of course it could be that ther person is a forum throll but ....</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="247" time="09.40.26" ref="0">guys and (#user1#) :) i think we're going a little offtopic here</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="248" time="09.40.41" ref="0">let's focus where forums are suited best</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="249" time="09.40.55" ref="0">raher than debate issues between them</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="250" time="09.41.02" ref="0">it's more productive that way</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="251" time="09.41.15" ref="0">otherwise we'll be here for awhile</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="252" time="09.41.38" ref="0">forums are good collaborative tools if administered properly :D</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="253" time="09.41.45" ref="0">ok - i see forums best suited for polls, expressing queries on various topics</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="254" time="09.41.46" ref="252">quite.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="255" time="09.42.04" ref="253">are _also_ suited for polls, indeed</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="256" time="09.42.08" ref="0">wikis are best for sharing information</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="257" time="09.42.18" ref="0">chats are good for real time collaborative efforts</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="258" time="09.42.23" ref="0">ok what are blogs best for?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="259" time="09.42.24" ref="0">and blogs have a mixture of all these traits</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="260" time="09.42.25" ref="0">documenting on past issues (as they also have timestamps)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="261" time="09.42.38" ref="255">discussing homework assignments, as previously stated, is a good usecase</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="262" time="09.42.52" ref="0">ok let's see what blogs are good for</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="263" time="09.43.25" ref="0">in an academic environment i think that blogs are not the best tool for the job.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="264" time="09.43.31" ref="259">i really like community blogs - giving a more personal approach to info that can be otherwise stated in a wiki</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="265" time="09.43.48" ref="0">you have the computer science wiki with the academic part</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="266" time="09.44.06" ref="0">and the computer science blog - with events, pics, much more fun stuff</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="267" time="09.44.49" ref="0">I see blogs as chronological</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="268" time="09.44.54" ref="0">the google programs blogs - like their open source summer camp one is something close to what i have in mind</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="269" time="09.45.13" ref="0">in my opinion i see blogs as.. basically web-logs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="270" time="09.45.13" ref="0">you would have a wiki documenting what you acomplished, the development, part of the code</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="271" time="09.45.20" ref="0">and a blog with the personal side of things</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="272" time="09.45.23" ref="0">where people share their thoughts for anyone to see</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="273" time="09.45.36" ref="0">let's keep in mind please</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="274" time="09.45.36" ref="0"/>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="275" time="09.45.36" ref="272">my point exactly</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="276" time="09.45.42" ref="0">that we are talking in general</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="277" time="09.45.42" ref="0"/>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="278" time="09.45.51" ref="0">well this applies in general</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="279" time="09.45.51" ref="0">not specific</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="280" time="09.45.54" ref="0">university</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="281" time="09.45.56" ref="0">company</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="282" time="09.46.04" ref="0">student organisation</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="283" time="09.46.06" ref="0">blogs are great for sharing a personal perspective</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="284" time="09.46.14" ref="283">agree</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="285" time="09.46.22" ref="0">you need to have the official side of things -&gt; wikis</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="286" time="09.46.28" ref="0">and the personal touch -&gt; blohs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="287" time="09.46.31" ref="0">blogs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="288" time="09.46.39" ref="0">well you sure do support your wikis</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="289" time="09.46.41" ref="0">the thing is that there are corporate blogs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="290" time="09.46.49" ref="0">and there are project blogs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="291" time="09.46.54" ref="0">look at the google or microsoft bblogs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="292" time="09.47.07" ref="0">most blogs are personal</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="293" time="09.47.19" ref="0">had a look at the chief architect for IE blog</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="294" time="09.47.23" ref="0">acutally i think like 95% of blogs out there are personal</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="295" time="09.47.23" ref="0">most blogs are personal because companies understood the potential very late in the game</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="296" time="09.47.24" ref="0">not really personal :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="297" time="09.47.35" ref="0">but rather a mixture</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="298" time="09.47.40" ref="0">of company and personal views</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="299" time="09.48.03" ref="0">i think that it's good to put a human face on the corporate information that you put on the internet</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="300" time="09.48.07" ref="0">and i think it is good either way</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="301" time="09.48.18" ref="0">it's a good thing for employees to blog about their company and their projects and achievements</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="302" time="09.48.22" ref="0">you get the company/organization stuff and some human side to it</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="303" time="09.48.27" ref="0">ok what is a situation where blogs rule?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="304" time="09.48.35" ref="0">compared to the others</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="305" time="09.48.54" ref="0">you want to keep people informed about a project</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="306" time="09.48.56" ref="303">perhaps, the news section of a certain site?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="307" time="09.48.58" ref="0">"LOOK AT THE FUN WE ARE HAVING IN [THIS] SCHOOL/COMPANY/PROJECT"</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="308" time="09.49.12" ref="306">good point.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="309" time="09.49.30" ref="307">LOOK AT THE GREAT STUFF WE ARE DOING HERE</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="310" time="09.50.00" ref="0">i'd argue that the situation best suited for blogs is where you are offering your view of a subject to the world</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="311" time="09.50.03" ref="0">plus blogs come with rss support</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="312" time="09.50.18" ref="309">ah, an example of chat noise, I suppose :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="313" time="09.50.36" ref="0">no no, that's free speech</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="314" time="09.50.39" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="315" time="09.51.11" ref="0">so do we all agree where a blog is best suited?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="316" time="09.51.26" ref="0">I do</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="317" time="09.51.29" ref="0">that's a yes</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="318" time="09.51.33" ref="0">sounds good to me</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="319" time="09.51.46" ref="0">ok last but not least</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="320" time="09.51.57" ref="0">can you tell me what are we doing now?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="321" time="09.52.17" ref="0">nobody?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="322" time="09.52.22" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="323" time="09.52.25" ref="0">:))</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="324" time="09.52.25" ref="320">trick question ahoy.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="325" time="09.52.27" ref="0">we are competitors</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="326" time="09.52.28" ref="0">remember</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="327" time="09.52.31" ref="0">i see where you're going with that</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="328" time="09.52.37" ref="0">we won't play your gamee</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="329" time="09.52.39" ref="0">so we should say</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="330" time="09.52.44" ref="0">some annoying thing</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="331" time="09.52.45" ref="0">well you see?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="332" time="09.53.06" ref="0">yeah but look how hard is for us to communicate when we're all writing stuff</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="333" time="09.53.07" ref="0">if you want to get something done, you speak directly to the people involved</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="334" time="09.53.21" ref="0">not something you can do with eiter of the tools above</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="335" time="09.53.22" ref="0">yes and everyone saying a lot of stuff and answering before reading</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="336" time="09.53.32" ref="0">think</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="337" time="09.53.34" ref="0">like me who has skipped the last 5 lines and keep talking and talking</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="338" time="09.53.43" ref="0">in 2 hours we will eventually agree</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="339" time="09.53.55" ref="0">not a forum wiki or blog can do that</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="340" time="09.54.03" ref="0">i support live-talk conferences</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="341" time="09.54.15" ref="0">:) people can write in the same time but not really speak</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="342" time="09.54.23" ref="0">ok</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="343" time="09.54.28" ref="0">another question</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="344" time="09.54.31" ref="0">don't hate me</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="345" time="09.54.37" ref="0">what is the tool you use most?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="346" time="09.54.45" ref="0">out of chat wiki blog or forum?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="347" time="09.54.53" ref="0">jabber/msn/gtalk/yahoo</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="348" time="09.54.54" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="349" time="09.54.59" ref="0">:D</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="350" time="09.55.09" ref="0">chats for lack of a better internet connection that would allow for video -confference</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="351" time="09.55.11" ref="347">jabber :D</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="352" time="09.55.20" ref="0">there you go</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="353" time="09.55.32" ref="0">but let me tell you one thing. i have a lot of issues with chatting systems.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="354" time="09.55.38" ref="0">i think it's safe to say that chatting is the most widely used tool</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="355" time="09.55.38" ref="0">average people dont really chat 5 hours per day</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="356" time="09.55.43" ref="0">for either of us</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="357" time="09.55.59" ref="0">it's the most personal</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="358" time="09.56.06" ref="0">it's the fastest way to get some info</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="359" time="09.56.15" ref="0">just ask someone who knows</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="360" time="09.56.17" ref="0">yes, because we cannot meet face to face with all the people we know and share the things we want</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="361" time="09.56.23" ref="0">exactly</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="362" time="09.56.29" ref="358">haste is the key factor here</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="363" time="09.56.31" ref="0">it is fast, it is comfortable, but not for sharing vital info</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="364" time="09.56.36" ref="0">(#user3#) let me tell you some issues that i have with chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="365" time="09.56.36" ref="0">on the long run</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="366" time="09.56.43" ref="363">i disagree</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="367" time="09.56.47" ref="0">i need to search in a million logs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="368" time="09.56.50" ref="0">to find a link</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="369" time="09.56.52" ref="0">1) it's extremly hard to find info in logs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="370" time="09.56.55" ref="0">vital info needs to be shared quick</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="371" time="09.56.58" ref="0">if i forget to save it</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="372" time="09.57.17" ref="0">chat is not meant to be a repository of info</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="373" time="09.57.27" ref="0">chats can get a bit chaotic</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="374" time="09.57.28" ref="0">chat substitutes what you do most: talk</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="375" time="09.57.32" ref="0">imagine that for homework</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="376" time="09.57.35" ref="0">you would have a chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="377" time="09.57.38" ref="0">and not a forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="378" time="09.57.39" ref="0">like a live talk can get also</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="379" time="09.57.42" ref="0">would that be chaos or not</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="380" time="09.57.50" ref="0">yes would be chaos</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="381" time="09.57.53" ref="0">however</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="382" time="09.58.02" ref="0">it wolud solve the problem quicker</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="383" time="09.58.18" ref="0">if one of the chatters knows the answers</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="384" time="09.58.18" ref="379">it would</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="385" time="09.58.24" ref="0">:P speed</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="386" time="09.58.41" ref="0">live-support is often given online</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="387" time="09.58.45" ref="0">in chat mode</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="388" time="09.59.01" ref="383">that assumes that the single person who knows all the answers has time required time and dedication to answer them all at once</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="389" time="09.59.14" ref="385">I like the whiteboard thing</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="390" time="09.59.15" ref="0">you can't ask a user to search a wiki for a problem, they need fast resolutons to their problems - chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="391" time="09.59.20" ref="0">that could be used in a chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="392" time="09.59.23" ref="388">s/time/the/</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="393" time="09.59.40" ref="392">too much linux :D</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="394" time="09.59.57" ref="0">you can ask the user -read the info on this wiki and then come back with questions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="395" time="10.00.00" ref="0">the problem with chats is that they are impersonal</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="396" time="10.00.03" ref="393">it's never too much ;)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="397" time="10.00.11" ref="395">who are you calling impersonal</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="398" time="10.00.15" ref="0">so i think we can agree that chat is best suited for targeted info gathering</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="399" time="10.00.16" ref="394">such as, post-them-on-the-forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="400" time="10.00.24" ref="395">i strongly disagree</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="401" time="10.00.33" ref="0">chat is the most personal tool</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="402" time="10.00.36" ref="0">how personal do you want to get?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="403" time="10.00.42" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="404" time="10.00.46" ref="0">you are talking direcly to the person</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="405" time="10.00.47" ref="0">i can't decide if you were joking here because i didn't see your facial expression.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="406" time="10.00.59" ref="0">well wiki/forum/blogs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="407" time="10.01.01" ref="0">more personal than chat would be to invite them over ;)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="408" time="10.01.07" ref="0">don't really come with expressions either</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="409" time="10.01.09" ref="403">there :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="410" time="10.01.32" ref="0">I mean smiley support is best for chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="411" time="10.01.47" ref="0">see?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="412" time="10.01.52" ref="0">that's personal</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="413" time="10.02.11" ref="0">also you don't need to search in chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="414" time="10.02.17" ref="0">that's the whole point</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="415" time="10.02.30" ref="0">you get your info immediately</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="416" time="10.02.35" ref="412">I agree that chats are probably the most personal of the 4, but that's not always what you want</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="417" time="10.02.42" ref="0">on the short term, yes</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="418" time="10.02.49" ref="0">exactly</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="419" time="10.02.53" ref="413">of course i do. since infromation is shared through char and not everybody is online all the time i must have a way of getting back old information.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="420" time="10.02.53" ref="0">if you need an yes/no answer - perfect</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="421" time="10.03.03" ref="416">I'm guessing some teachers would be less than willing to chat with 50 or so students</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="422" time="10.03.04" ref="0">if you have to answer a question</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="423" time="10.03.05" ref="417">each tool is designed to fit a certain need</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="424" time="10.03.12" ref="0">10000 will ask afterwards again</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="425" time="10.03.14" ref="0">ok question.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="426" time="10.03.19" ref="0">you would better not do it on chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="427" time="10.03.39" ref="421">actually extend the chat to videochat, and i think the teacher would do it</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="428" time="10.03.47" ref="0">in australia</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="429" time="10.03.47" ref="0">nevermind my question (#user1#) already talked about it .... and i din't see it because i was busy writing my line</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="430" time="10.03.56" ref="0">they use radio chat for lessons</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="431" time="10.03.56" ref="421">but they would probably answer on forums, at their leisure</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="432" time="10.04.13" ref="0">because the distance is to gread for a pupil to go to school</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="433" time="10.04.24" ref="0">live chat is the only way of education</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="434" time="10.04.28" ref="0">(in that case)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="435" time="10.04.30" ref="0">well I think a good presentation with audio support and a question tab</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="436" time="10.04.36" ref="0">could replace a class</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="437" time="10.04.37" ref="429">there's one chat issue.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="438" time="10.05.20" ref="0">(in good presentation I mean visual support - slides, images, notes)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="439" time="10.05.34" ref="0">agree - real time interactivity</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="440" time="10.05.37" ref="435">don't forget video, it's important to see the teacher</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="441" time="10.05.45" ref="432">each of the tools we discussed has situations where it is most useful.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="442" time="10.05.59" ref="0">so i guess that the best thing to do would be to have all of them</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="443" time="10.06.01" ref="0">and use them all</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="444" time="10.06.08" ref="0">we already do that</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="445" time="10.06.10" ref="0">and this is the second part of our discussion if i recall corerclty</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="446" time="10.06.10" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="447" time="10.06.23" ref="445">yes, how would you blend them all together</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="448" time="10.06.39" ref="0">if you were to plan an ideal educational system</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="449" time="10.06.58" ref="0">so, each of our firms should come toghether and build an app</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="450" time="10.06.59" ref="0">you should have a wiki for commonly asked questions and things that you don't want to have to say more than once</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="451" time="10.07.05" ref="0">that does it all</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="452" time="10.07.28" ref="0">you should have a blog or more written by people on the inside of the project that share their view and useful information</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="453" time="10.07.31" ref="0">on chat - I know this one great feature in Iasi univeristy - that has 24h support for administrative questions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="454" time="10.07.34" ref="450">yes, wiki as a repository for frequently-needed information in general</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="455" time="10.08.04" ref="0">you ask on YM what you want to ask, so you don't have to wait in line and go somewhere for the answer you need fast</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="456" time="10.08.04" ref="0">a forum would be used for long term and persistent discussions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="457" time="10.08.20" ref="0">and chats, like monique said for quick discussions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="458" time="10.08.20" ref="0">blogs for news and events</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="459" time="10.08.26" ref="0">ok but how would you build this app?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="460" time="10.08.36" ref="0">should it be only one integrated app?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="461" time="10.08.41" ref="0">I think moodle already has 2 features</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="462" time="10.08.42" ref="0">or more tools?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="463" time="10.08.45" ref="459">you don't wave to build it. you integrate several compoents</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="464" time="10.09.01" ref="0">might have more - but I guess our version is not really the most enhanced one</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="465" time="10.09.32" ref="0">Sharepoint from Microsoft has some great features</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="466" time="10.09.47" ref="0">forum and wiki like</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="467" time="10.09.50" ref="465">with the exception of being build my microsoft :D</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="468" time="10.09.59" ref="0">and costing some 15 000 $</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="469" time="10.10.12" ref="465">haven't seen it, but it's not great. :D</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="470" time="10.10.20" ref="0">the purpose is to build one ourselves</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="471" time="10.10.25" ref="0">but you have great tools that are available out there</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="472" time="10.10.30" ref="0">wordpress as a blog platform</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="473" time="10.10.38" ref="0">php bulletin or whatever it's called for forums</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="474" time="10.10.40" ref="0">ym! for chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="475" time="10.10.45" ref="0">even better you could use skype</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="476" time="10.10.53" ref="0">and the wiki platform is the wiki platform :D</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="477" time="10.11.16" ref="0">yes, but how blend them all in one place</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="478" time="10.11.24" ref="0">exacly</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="479" time="10.11.35" ref="477">would that be usefull?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="480" time="10.11.40" ref="0">having to keep track of 4 different apps</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="481" time="10.11.44" ref="0">is not improvement</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="482" time="10.11.51" ref="0">a good integration could be achieved</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="483" time="10.12.02" ref="0">what are the apps that can be blended together?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="484" time="10.12.11" ref="0">maybe blogs and forums ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="485" time="10.12.17" ref="0">and then there's the question if building an app from zero is better than having 4 diffrent ones interacting</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="486" time="10.12.29" ref="0">you can start by integrating user accounts and authentication</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="487" time="10.12.40" ref="0">we should build an app, that's why we are having this chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="488" time="10.12.54" ref="0">we should decide if it's worth building one from zero:)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="489" time="10.13.09" ref="0">we should come up with an app, but not necessarily from scratch :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="490" time="10.13.12" ref="0">chat can be integrated into almost everything with meebo</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="491" time="10.13.31" ref="0">i think an ideea would be to have a forum, and the users that are online and browsing the forum could also chat in real-time</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="492" time="10.13.45" ref="0">like the lpd homework forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="493" time="10.14.13" ref="0">would be nice if i could direcly ask the teacher/assistant about something while also reading the last posts</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="494" time="10.14.20" ref="491">sounds great to me</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="495" time="10.14.37" ref="0">what else?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="496" time="10.14.45" ref="0">could forums and blogs be mixed?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="497" time="10.14.54" ref="0">I think one thing that is neglected for our school</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="498" time="10.15.00" ref="0">is the post-homework phase</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="499" time="10.15.02" ref="496">you could have links to the users blog from the forum profile</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="500" time="10.15.09" ref="0">what's that?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="501" time="10.15.10" ref="0">I think people should make the best homework available</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="502" time="10.15.15" ref="0">for others to consult</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="503" time="10.15.19" ref="501">true</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="504" time="10.15.21" ref="0">in the future</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="505" time="10.15.29" ref="502">true true</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="506" time="10.15.34" ref="0">for us...you have 1000 posts before the deadline, and silence after</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="507" time="10.15.35" ref="501">1</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="508" time="10.15.55" ref="503">in fact, I'm thinking all homework should be available</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="509" time="10.16.06" ref="0">yes, this is where wikis come in</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="510" time="10.16.07" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="511" time="10.16.21" ref="506">yup ..and all you get when you're homework is graded are 2 phrases that are hardly enough to learn what you've did wrong. and you are not given a solution to the problem.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="512" time="10.16.36" ref="0">of course you'd start having plagiarism for subjects that repeat the assignments each year, but pobody's nerfect.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="513" time="10.16.42" ref="0">not all, that would be information overload</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="514" time="10.16.53" ref="508">i'm seeing this like a forum with a homework posted, and then replies and questions about it</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="515" time="10.16.55" ref="0">on the forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="516" time="10.16.56" ref="0">3 homework of A+ should give enough ideas</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="517" time="10.17.16" ref="0">not on a wiki</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="518" time="10.17.18" ref="512">if the teachers and assistants would come up with different tasks each year that would not be a problem</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="519" time="10.17.27" ref="512">i think teachers can be creative enough</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="520" time="10.17.42" ref="519">true, as they should be</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="521" time="10.17.42" ref="519">exactly ..it's just a little more extra work :p</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="522" time="10.17.57" ref="0">ok so final view on this all-in-one</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="523" time="10.17.57" ref="0">a lot more, won't happen</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="524" time="10.18.13" ref="0">we should sum up</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="525" time="10.18.16" ref="0">is not even necesarry sometime</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="526" time="10.18.17" ref="0">ok</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="527" time="10.18.29" ref="0">would be like a chat function integrated into moodle</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="528" time="10.18.36" ref="0">also polling cappabilities</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="529" time="10.18.45" ref="0">and links to personal blogs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="530" time="10.19.03" ref="0">or maybe a community blog like infopoli had at one time</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="531" time="10.19.11" ref="0">that too</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="532" time="10.19.23" ref="0">with a more informal view yet keeping within the group</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="533" time="10.20.03" ref="0">and a wiki for general not-changing stuff</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="534" time="10.20.43" ref="533">it can (and probably should) be changing, just needs not be in flux</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="535" time="10.20.56" ref="0">yep</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="536" time="10.21.03" ref="0">I think it would be great to have wikis as a method to update stuff as well; you have a wiki on how to do some stuff on version 2.0 of a software; when version 3.0 pops up</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="537" time="10.21.13" ref="0">you just edit and add an extra paragraph</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="538" time="10.21.21" ref="0">this should be an online tool, not a computer app</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="539" time="10.21.23" ref="536">that would be really useful for our homework assignments</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="540" time="10.21.35" ref="0">so anybody has access to it without installing anything</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="541" time="10.21.48" ref="538">precisely, it needs to be ubiquitous</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="542" time="10.21.54" ref="0">yes, online collaboration tools provide great power</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="543" time="10.22.01" ref="0">with the cost of an internet connection</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="544" time="10.22.07" ref="0">with great power comes great responsability</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="545" time="10.22.08" ref="0"/>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="546" time="10.22.20" ref="543">internet is no longer a problem</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="547" time="10.22.20" ref="0"/>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="548" time="10.22.31" ref="0">if you don;t have net you can't do anything</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="549" time="10.22.37" ref="0">should have said "just the cost of an internet connection"</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="550" time="10.22.38" ref="0">might as well shut down the pc</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="551" time="10.22.44" ref="0">soon a connection will cost as much as peanuts</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="552" time="10.22.50" ref="0">small bag 30g</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="553" time="10.22.52" ref="0">it already is</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="554" time="10.22.52" ref="0">:)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="555" time="10.23.35" ref="0">well i think we all have seen the strenghts of all the toos</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="556" time="10.23.40" ref="0">ok ...does anybody have any final thoughts?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="557" time="10.23.41" ref="0">*tools</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="558" time="10.23.56" ref="0">and a few ideeas were mentioned</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="559" time="10.24.06" ref="0">about how to build an online collaboration tool</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="560" time="10.24.20" ref="0">I really think this went well - we have seen some great ideas</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="561" time="10.24.25" ref="0">some of these ideeas could be implemented in our school also - would be great</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="562" time="10.24.45" ref="0">shall we call it a night?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="563" time="10.24.51" ref="561">and it's probably our job to start</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="564" time="10.24.59" ref="562">agreed.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="565" time="10.25.00" ref="0">I think this was a good discussion.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="566" time="10.25.04" ref="0">thanks everyone</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="567" time="10.25.10" ref="0">and i want to thank you all</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="568" time="10.25.11" ref="0"/>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="569" time="10.25.12" ref="0">yes, thank you for joining</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="570" time="10.25.17" ref="0">Razvan, shall you save the log</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="571" time="10.25.24" ref="0">and see you online :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="572" time="10.25.44" ref="0">yup...i'll download the log</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="573" time="10.25.49" ref="0">good bye everyone.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="574" time="10.26.01" ref="0">good night</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="575" time="10.26.02" ref="0">good night</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="576" time="10.26.05" ref="0">good night</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="577" time="10.26.17" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="578" time="10.26.18" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="579" time="10.26.29" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
		</Body>
	</Dialog>
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