	<Dialog team="24">
		<Participants/>
		<Topics/>
		<Body>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="1" time="06.10.15" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="2" time="06.10.23" ref="0">hello</Utterance>
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				<Utterance genid="3" time="06.10.29" ref="0"/>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="4" time="06.10.52" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="5" time="06.11.42" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="6" time="06.12.50" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="7" time="06.13.07" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="8" time="06.13.17" ref="0">hello</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="9" time="06.14.42" ref="0">are you ready?</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="10" time="06.14.51" ref="0">(#user2#) ?</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="11" time="06.16.47" ref="0">hello everyone</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="12" time="06.17.59" ref="0">let's begin with introducing ourselves first</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="13" time="06.19.17" ref="0">I am Catalina Vasilescu and my company is currently developping software that uses blogs technologies</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="14" time="06.20.05" ref="0">my name is Mihaela Grigore and i will speak in favour of using forums as a method of e-learning</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="15" time="06.21.27" ref="0">(#user2#), what do you represent?</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="16" time="06.21.50" ref="13">my name is Mircea Bardac and I am reprezenting C+W Inc.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="17" time="06.22.13" ref="0">nice to meet you</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="18" time="06.22.24" ref="16">C+W is a company specialized in deploying chat and wiki-based solutions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="19" time="06.22.58" ref="0">nice to meet you all</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="20" time="06.23.41" ref="0">ok , then who will start the presentation?</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="21" time="06.24.10" ref="20">first, I would like to mention the reason we are all here</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="22" time="06.24.44" ref="0">please go ahead</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="23" time="06.24.44" ref="16">go on, (#user2#)</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="24" time="06.25.19" ref="20">we have gathered here in order to decide on which is the best collaborative application to deploy for our future customers</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="25" time="06.26.03" ref="0">the discussions will be based on presenting the advantages and disadvantages of technologies</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="26" time="06.26.15" ref="24"/>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="27" time="06.26.16" ref="0">our companies develop</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="28" time="06.26.33" ref="0">oh, I forgot to mention</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="29" time="06.26.45" ref="0">we also have a whiteboard available for our presentation</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="30" time="06.26.49" ref="0">feel free to use it</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="31" time="06.28.44" ref="0">let's start by first putting on the whiteboard the technologies we are going to talk about</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="32" time="06.31.39" ref="0">ok, now that we have set this up</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="33" time="06.31.57" ref="0">(#user1#), could you present the technologies your company develops</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="34" time="06.32.27" ref="0">andas we speak, i thing we should add the most important advantages of thetechnology we speak in favour of, on the whiteboard too</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="35" time="06.34.29" ref="33">my company is specialized in deploying forum based solutions as a method of learning</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="36" time="06.35.33" ref="0">we have chosen forums because we feel it best implements an important aspect of e learning: quality of information</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="37" time="06.35.46" ref="0">(#user1#), what are the advantages in use forums?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="38" time="06.36.44" ref="0">the quality of information is based on the feedback other users leave for the talker</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="39" time="06.37.21" ref="0">this way the users are certified of the talker's credibility</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="40" time="06.38.38" ref="38">this can also be easily achieved by replying to chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="41" time="06.40.05" ref="38">the quality of the informations depends on the knowledege of the users</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="42" time="06.40.32" ref="39">yes,but another advatage of forums, which i think is not supported in chatis rss feeds. Because members may miss replies in threads they areinterested in, many modern forums offer an "e-mail notification"feature, whereby members can choose to be notified of new posts in athread, and RSS feeds that allow members to see a summary of the newposts using aggregator software</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="43" time="06.41.18" ref="42">email based messages are part of another technology</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="44" time="06.41.31" ref="0">mailing lists .. newsgroups</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="45" time="06.41.36" ref="0">But when the users get "grades" for their posts, the others can make an idea about his level of knowledge</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="46" time="06.41.36" ref="42">it is true that RSS feeds are very used lately</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="47" time="06.42.16" ref="46">i agree they are very usefull when the amount of imformation si to large</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="48" time="06.42.23" ref="0">to handle and read</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="49" time="06.42.48" ref="0">these types of notifications are very useful for passive viewing of updates</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="50" time="06.43.12" ref="0">in fact, RSS are useful because you can stay up to date, whithout having to check personally on the site</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="51" time="06.43.21" ref="0">chats rely on the fact that the participants are online, so there is no need of a new notification system on top of chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="52" time="06.43.58" ref="0">but how can other users benefit from a discussion on a chat ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="53" time="06.44.17" ref="0">chats can be informative</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="54" time="06.44.27" ref="51">chats usualy have a large trughtput of information but this informations lacks knowledege</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="55" time="06.45.03" ref="0">in general on forums people take their time document themselves and then post</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="56" time="06.45.07" ref="53">(#user2#), please explain..</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="57" time="06.45.10" ref="0">it really depends on the type of information which is being exchanged</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="58" time="06.45.38" ref="55">Catalina, i see you also support forums, thank you :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="59" time="06.45.39" ref="0">chats are usually only between 2 people</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="60" time="06.45.58" ref="0">this means that the information exchaged is important for 2 people only</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="61" time="06.46.07" ref="58">they have their problems to</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="62" time="06.46.09" ref="0">too</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="63" time="06.46.14" ref="0">at least for the 2 people which are being involved in the chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="64" time="06.46.24" ref="0">but, group chats can be informative too</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="65" time="06.46.26" ref="59">So they are a way of helping a very limited number of people to exchange knowledge</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="66" time="06.46.30" ref="0">one is the fact that the moderator is too powerfull</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="67" time="06.46.44" ref="0">group chats are another type of chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="68" time="06.47.01" ref="0">what we are currently using is a group chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="69" time="06.47.34" ref="0">group chats can be used to keep meetings</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="70" time="06.47.46" ref="0">I will look for an example and post a link here</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="71" time="06.47.59" ref="68">Andcan other users, who are not present at the time of the discussion,view the information presented ? Are you using a log system ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="72" time="06.48.02" ref="69">but it 's hard to meet at the same time</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="73" time="06.48.27" ref="71">as far as I know, this group chat uses a log system</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="74" time="06.48.34" ref="0">most of the group chats have a log system</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="75" time="06.48.35" ref="0">that's why is better to use forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="76" time="06.49.00" ref="0">it is very easy afterwards to just link to a place in the discussion</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="77" time="06.49.13" ref="74">they do have logging capability but who will read them ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="78" time="06.49.22" ref="0">people which are interested</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="79" time="06.49.24" ref="0">discusions are really hard to fallow</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="80" time="06.49.28" ref="0">I can give examples</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="81" time="06.49.38" ref="80">yes, pleace, (#user2#)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="82" time="06.50.08" ref="79">itreally depends on the way the discussion is being held.. there isusually a moderator which points the problems... and everyone discusseson that</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="83" time="06.50.11" ref="0">one sec</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="84" time="06.51.55" ref="82">i think it's better to use blogs because are easy to create and mentain</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="85" time="06.52.29" ref="0">they also have limitted forum capabilities because they allow people to comment upon</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="86" time="06.52.41" ref="0">information posted</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="87" time="06.53.23" ref="0">there is only one person or group who handles the main blog and filter all the information</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="88" time="06.54.30" ref="87">this can be an advantage sometimes</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="89" time="06.54.34" ref="0">Blogs are probably the easiest way to have a website</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="90" time="06.55.02" ref="0">but our clients rely on instant communication and storing the discussed information in a concise way</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="91" time="06.55.14" ref="90">we use wikis for storing</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="92" time="06.55.23" ref="0">in contrast with forums the information is well structured</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="93" time="06.55.27" ref="84">But on forums, discussions on the same topic are gathered together in one place.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="94" time="06.55.44" ref="0">on forums the information is structured based on topics</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="95" time="06.55.58" ref="0">but it is pretty hard to link between topics</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="96" time="06.56.13" ref="0">that's why I consider wikis to be more useful for this</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="97" time="06.56.39" ref="0">after a discussion is being held on a specific topic</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="98" time="06.56.56" ref="0">the involved participants cand write their conclusions on wiki pages</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="99" time="06.57.14" ref="0">and link them together</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="100" time="06.57.25" ref="98">And cand readers of the wiki pages modify the information presented ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="101" time="06.57.54" ref="0">forfurther reference, it is alaways best to have also a link to the placewhere something has been discussed (such as a groupchat log)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="102" time="06.58.08" ref="100">yes, they can</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="103" time="06.58.14" ref="0">based on specific privileges</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="104" time="06.58.25" ref="0">Is there a mederator for the access to modify something ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="105" time="06.58.30" ref="0">some of them are only readers, some of them are the authors</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="106" time="06.58.43" ref="0">there is no such thing as a moderator</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="107" time="06.58.48" ref="0">as it is on the forums</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="108" time="06.59.06" ref="0">but the author of each page can decide which groups are able to read/modify the page</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="109" time="06.59.14" ref="106">not always</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="110" time="06.59.27" ref="107">So what happens when somebody modifies the page and he/she presents some false information ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="111" time="06.59.28" ref="0">for instance in wikipedia there are moderators</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="112" time="06.59.39" ref="109">all changes are tracked</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="113" time="06.59.45" ref="0">that won't allow pages subject to propaganda....</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="114" time="06.59.49" ref="0">and the authors are notified</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="115" time="06.59.55" ref="110">Doesn't this require the effort of somebody else to restore it ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="116" time="06.59.59" ref="0">just like on wikipedia</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="117" time="07.00.31" ref="115">well, it depends on who is allowed to actually modify a page</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="118" time="07.00.44" ref="0">if the author knows who to delegate for this</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="119" time="07.00.52" ref="0">then the problem is contained</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="120" time="07.01.11" ref="0">we do not allow all users to modify a page, unless the author says so</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="121" time="07.01.34" ref="0">But on forums, users can be corrected by others, who don't have to modify, just add their one post</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="122" time="07.01.37" ref="120">but the main ideea is that everyone can edit them</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="123" time="07.01.49" ref="0">otherwise this becomes a simple webpage</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="124" time="07.01.51" ref="0">...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="125" time="07.02.22" ref="122">the author gives this right to the ones which he knows as trusted</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="126" time="07.02.33" ref="0">Isn't it better to see more oppinions and arguments for them, instead of just one reached by others as an agreement ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="127" time="07.03.04" ref="126">indeed, we had this kind of problems once</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="128" time="07.03.22" ref="0">as in: some users wanted to have their comments always available</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="129" time="07.03.31" ref="0">not being deleted by new comments</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="130" time="07.04.08" ref="0">and we had to implement some new type of privilege system</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="131" time="07.04.56" ref="0">this was quite difficult</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="132" time="07.05.23" ref="0">the main idea is that a user/group can have the right to add something, but not delete something</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="133" time="07.05.26" ref="0">or the other way</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="134" time="07.05.52" ref="0">this makes the system a bit more complex, compared to a normal forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="135" time="07.06.42" ref="134">But, on a forum, anyone can state his oppinion on a subject, without the need of special permission</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="136" time="07.07.28" ref="135">And others can contradict him, in which case he needs to bring arguments</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="137" time="07.07.37" ref="0">this can also be achieved by making a page with: allow anyone to add content, but not delete</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="138" time="07.08.06" ref="0">but, as I said, this was quite complex to implement</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="139" time="07.08.53" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="140" time="07.10.05" ref="138">Let's wait for Catalina, who seems to have a technical problem with her computer...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="141" time="07.36.29" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="142" time="07.36.47" ref="0">i'm back</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="143" time="07.40.33" ref="129">welcome back</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="144" time="07.40.55" ref="0">thanks</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="145" time="07.41.53" ref="143">(#user0#), could you please present some of the advantages blogs bring compared to forums and wikis</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="146" time="07.42.37" ref="0">I believe chats are part of another category and some other aspects are involved</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="147" time="07.44.06" ref="0">in blogs is only one person who is writing the articles</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="148" time="07.44.41" ref="0">and only that person can modify them</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="149" time="07.46.46" ref="148">So there can be no additional information, just that that the writer posseses</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="150" time="07.47.50" ref="0">I think this is a big disadvantage, what do you say Catalina? How do blogs compensate for this ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="151" time="07.53.10" ref="149">blogs are like jurnals</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="152" time="07.53.35" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="153" time="07.53.52" ref="0">they hold one persones perspective</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="154" time="07.54.09" ref="150">aparently, (#user1#) also has some technical difficulties</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="155" time="07.54.15" ref="0">let's wait for her</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="156" time="07.54.22" ref="0">ok</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="157" time="08.00.59" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="158" time="08.02.19" ref="153">So in order to make an oppinion you have ro read multiple blogs on that subject ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="159" time="08.02.45" ref="158">So that you can get information from different sources ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="160" time="08.03.15" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="161" time="08.04.39" ref="153">Ibelieve this can be applied usefully in e-learning when a teacher wantsto present something, but for strudents... they need a way to exchangeoppionions...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="162" time="08.09.23" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="163" time="08.10.05" ref="161">yes, it's true</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="164" time="08.10.26" ref="161">so, (#user1#), you're saying that blogs are useful for pushing information to people</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="165" time="08.10.37" ref="0">for students is usefull a forum or a chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="166" time="08.10.46" ref="165">exactly</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="167" time="08.11.34" ref="165">how would a blog be better than a wiki then</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="168" time="08.11.45" ref="0">a wiki can also be used for pushing information to students</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="169" time="08.11.46" ref="0">?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="170" time="08.13.58" ref="165">Catalina, please present us with some advantages specific to blogs. Why would someone go for a blog as a method of learning?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="171" time="08.15.30" ref="170">I don't think we should consider these technologies only to be used for e-learning</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="172" time="08.15.55" ref="0">chats' primary usage is not e-learning, but instant communication</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="173" time="08.17.36" ref="0">wiki allows users to freely create and edit web content using any Web Browser, while blogs are one person vision way</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="174" time="08.19.30" ref="0">blogs are very well organised</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="175" time="08.19.48" ref="0">the articles are written in chronologic order and are displayed in inverse cronologic order</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="176" time="08.20.28" ref="171">so, you're saying that they are better suited for presenting information which is time related</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="177" time="08.21.25" ref="0">it is true that wikis don't have this kind of relationship between articles</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="178" time="08.21.54" ref="0">but, as far as I remember, blogs do present the topics in chronological order</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="179" time="08.23.05" ref="176">no</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="180" time="08.23.12" ref="178">sorry, I meant forums also present the topics in chronological order</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="181" time="08.25.41" ref="0">Also, forums present information in a structured manner, under topics (or threads)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="182" time="08.27.06" ref="180">organization is also present in Wikis, as Categories</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="183" time="08.27.18" ref="0">each page can pe put into one or more categories</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="184" time="08.27.39" ref="0">there is something similar for blogs too</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="185" time="08.27.40" ref="183">But wiki looses the advantage of commenting upon a subject</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="186" time="08.27.55" ref="0">each wiki page has a discussions page associated</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="187" time="08.28.10" ref="185">Withforums, if readers have a question on the information presented, theycan add a post and someone can reply and clear it out for them</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="188" time="08.28.32" ref="187">I've seen this on wikis too, on the discussions page</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="189" time="08.29.33" ref="188">Youmean you have to access a different pag thorugh a link ? Because this,altough solving the problem, doesn't make it very handy...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="190" time="08.29.45" ref="189">well, yes</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="191" time="08.30.13" ref="0">I mean, you do have access to a different discussions page</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="192" time="08.30.37" ref="0">and also it is not very handy... but a wiki's main purpose is not to keep discussions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="193" time="08.30.37" ref="0">Andwhat about staying up to date with the information, without actuallyaccessing that page ? How is this done in wikis, Mircea ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="194" time="08.30.48" ref="0">but to store information in an inter-linked way</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="195" time="08.31.49" ref="0">I believe there is support for RSS feeds</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="196" time="08.32.06" ref="0">whenever a page changes, an update can be sent</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="197" time="08.34.49" ref="178">so now we need to find a new product</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="198" time="08.34.57" ref="196">indeed</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="199" time="08.35.10" ref="0">we've all seen what are the advantages</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="200" time="08.35.16" ref="0">and disadvantages</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="201" time="08.35.20" ref="0">of the technologies we provice</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="202" time="08.35.23" ref="0">provide</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="203" time="08.36.03" ref="196">We have also seen the limitations of our products from not combining technologies</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="204" time="08.36.23" ref="0">I believe it is in our best interest to come up with an idea which integrates them as good as possible</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="205" time="08.36.30" ref="0">taking the best out of everything</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="206" time="08.36.57" ref="0">could you (#user0#) give a short list of advantages blogs provide</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="207" time="08.37.15" ref="0">again?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="208" time="08.37.26" ref="0">we need to add them all together</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="209" time="08.37.34" ref="0">and think of ways of doing this</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="210" time="08.37.35" ref="0">First, integrating blogs woudl be very easy...just a link to that person's webpage..or where his blog is located</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="211" time="08.37.53" ref="0">Chats and Forums cand easily to this</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="212" time="08.37.53" ref="0">blogs are well organised</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="213" time="08.38.38" ref="208">blogs are easy to create</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="214" time="08.39.49" ref="0">ok, our solution should provide ease in creation and organisation of content</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="215" time="08.40.31" ref="214">easy to maintain</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="216" time="08.41.24" ref="214">It should also provide instant messaging, for the need to a quik response</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="217" time="08.42.35" ref="0">also we should provide the power to edit like wiki</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="218" time="08.43.34" ref="217">And a way to restore the previous content or moderate the access to modifying, to prevent missinforming</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="219" time="08.44.05" ref="218">good ideea</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="220" time="08.45.01" ref="219">So, do we agree that a product intented to ease web based collaboratio should include all these technologies ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="221" time="08.45.02" ref="218">the logs of the chats could be stored as discussions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="222" time="08.45.30" ref="0">along the forum replies</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="223" time="08.45.42" ref="0">I mean, we could have some sort of discussion area</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="224" time="08.45.48" ref="0">for certain topics</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="225" time="08.45.50" ref="221">But the amount of these discussions can become very big</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="226" time="08.46.43" ref="221">where people could start topics or chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="227" time="08.47.13" ref="226">organized in different categories...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="228" time="08.47.17" ref="0">indeed, but they could be organized as forums</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="229" time="08.47.31" ref="0">there's also one important thing</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="230" time="08.47.38" ref="0">which needs to be taken into account</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="231" time="08.47.53" ref="0">compared to forums, chats are require the people to be online</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="232" time="08.48.26" ref="0">we could have some sort of gateway between a forum and a chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="233" time="08.48.26" ref="229">Butin forums, where response is not in real time, you can structure whatyou have to say and present a final statement..while chats tend tobecome very long because people respond n the spur of the moment</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="234" time="08.49.01" ref="233">So i think it would be best to come up with an algorithm of storing only some discussions, based on their rating</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="235" time="08.49.09" ref="0">based on relationships between replies (such as in this chat), the chats could be split in topics by a moderator</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="236" time="08.49.25" ref="234">that's a very good idea</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="237" time="08.50.02" ref="0">I believe it is possible to store get this entire discussion we're having into some sort of tree</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="238" time="08.50.35" ref="236">A discusion should have the option of being public or private and users could rate the public discusions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="239" time="08.50.36" ref="0">and people could grade a node of a tree (where a discussion has started)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="240" time="08.50.45" ref="238">And private ones would not be logged</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="241" time="08.51.26" ref="239">That sounds a little complicated..</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="242" time="08.51.52" ref="0">hmm.... that's true... maybe it could be kept simpler</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="243" time="08.51.55" ref="241">no, it isn't</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="244" time="08.52.35" ref="243">actually, I have remembered something</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="245" time="08.52.47" ref="244">what?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="246" time="08.52.48" ref="0">slashdot has this kind of rating mechanism</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="247" time="08.52.50" ref="243">Ok,so we would have to kinds of rating in our system: one for a user andhis/her posts and one for discusions to be kept in storage</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="248" time="08.52.58" ref="0">but it works in a forum kind of way</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="249" time="08.53.39" ref="0">I believe the best thing would be for a moderator to decide which part of a discussion should be saved</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="250" time="08.54.04" ref="0">I have told you earlier that there are moments when discussions are being stored for further reference</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="251" time="08.54.12" ref="0">the example I wanted to give you was this one:</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="252" time="08.54.29" ref="0">http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/council/2007-August/002195.html</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="253" time="08.54.37" ref="247">Sofar, users can post oppinions in a forum or state something in a blogand allow comments from other users, or have a discussion in real timeand have that discussion logged, so as to compensate for users whocan't be there at the time of the chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="254" time="08.54.46" ref="0">this is an e-mail describing the results of a discussion which was held online</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="255" time="08.55.15" ref="0">it also points to the discussion</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="256" time="08.55.34" ref="253">indeed</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="257" time="08.55.51" ref="0">I believe you've all seen what Google has done with integrating chats and e-mails</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="258" time="08.56.09" ref="0">great ideas</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="259" time="08.56.09" ref="0">we also need something similar but for forums/comments/chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="260" time="08.56.23" ref="257">Yes, that was a very smart step</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="261" time="08.57.00" ref="259">an idea ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="262" time="08.57.35" ref="0">well...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="263" time="08.57.39" ref="0">we could start from a wiki</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="264" time="08.57.48" ref="0">and, based on a set of rules/permissions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="265" time="08.57.58" ref="0">we could create several types of pages</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="266" time="08.58.24" ref="265">Could you be more precise ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="267" time="08.58.30" ref="0">1. blog/forum pages - with one initial post describing something</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="268" time="08.58.38" ref="0">and all/any user being able to comment</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="269" time="08.59.31" ref="0">2. wiki style pages where (based on permissions) people could edit the currently posted comment</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="270" time="08.59.43" ref="0">What else should we add to our system ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="271" time="08.59.54" ref="0">oh.. I forgot about chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="272" time="09.00.14" ref="0">so, whenever content can be added, instead of adding a post</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="273" time="09.00.25" ref="0">people could set up meetings</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="274" time="09.00.55" ref="273">as in: in order to reply to this, a meeting has been set up for Dec 2nd, 10pm</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="275" time="09.01.05" ref="0">and, at that point in time, a chat would open</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="276" time="09.01.12" ref="0">we should integrate a way for users to scheddule a meeting and wait for a confirmation</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="277" time="09.01.13" ref="0">and the log of the chat would be stored as a post</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="278" time="09.01.17" ref="0">indeed</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="279" time="09.01.27" ref="0">we also need notifications</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="280" time="09.01.40" ref="0">all kinds of notifications</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="281" time="09.02.13" ref="0">people tend to preffer different ways of getting notified</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="282" time="09.02.16" ref="0">andalso a way for users who cannot attents the meeting, to have thatdiscusion logged for them (no matter what rating it would have)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="283" time="09.02.36" ref="0">indeed</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="284" time="09.02.40" ref="0">that would be great</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="285" time="09.02.54" ref="0">We could allow a fixed storage capacity for each user, so that he can log chats he is interested in</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="286" time="09.03.12" ref="285">yes</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="287" time="09.03.25" ref="0">just like when you log in on a forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="288" time="09.03.36" ref="0">you could see the latest posts, replies and chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="289" time="09.03.59" ref="0">and new wiki pages + updates to wiki pages, based on interest</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="290" time="09.04.53" ref="288">Couldn'tthis be made in a personalized way ? To chose some categories you areinterested in and when you log in, you are presented with latest "news"based on your preferences</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="291" time="09.04.54" ref="0">?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="292" time="09.05.21" ref="290">this could be made something like... subscriptions...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="293" time="09.05.29" ref="0">in a google reader kind of way</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="294" time="09.05.46" ref="0">where you could organize subscriptions in a folder-like structure</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="295" time="09.05.52" ref="293">I think we agree on that</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="296" time="09.05.58" ref="277">yes</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="297" time="09.06.29" ref="0">is there anything else we haven't covered?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="298" time="09.06.55" ref="0">I mean... any feature that we have in chats which is not on our plan</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="299" time="09.08.20" ref="0">No, I believe we have it all covered</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="300" time="09.11.39" ref="299">what else then?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="301" time="09.12.14" ref="300">I believe we haven't covered a very important subject</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="302" time="09.12.31" ref="0">which is searching through content</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="303" time="09.13.02" ref="302">how can we do that?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="304" time="09.15.17" ref="0">chats don't have searching as a feature</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="305" time="09.15.39" ref="304">But you can search in discussions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="306" time="09.15.55" ref="0">indeed, just like in posts</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="307" time="09.16.05" ref="0">or in a blog</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="308" time="09.16.25" ref="0">the conventional search system should be extended to support searching in chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="309" time="09.16.27" ref="0">on a search, user should have the option t chose through what sources to search</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="310" time="09.16.35" ref="0">forums, discussions, wikis...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="311" time="09.16.40" ref="0">this could be very useful</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="312" time="09.16.55" ref="308">you mean searching while the chat is still on ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="313" time="09.17.32" ref="0">I haven't thought of this, but it is a good idea</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="314" time="09.17.40" ref="0">Oh, this could be implemented by logging the chat at the same time users write something...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="315" time="09.17.47" ref="0">thething is... even though the content of a comment and the content of adiscussion are stored in a similar way, searching is very different</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="316" time="09.18.02" ref="0">people might express themselves on multiple lines</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="317" time="09.18.10" ref="0">(as I have done previously in this chat)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="318" time="09.18.24" ref="0">this is different than searching in a continous block of text</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="319" time="09.18.51" ref="318">yes, it's true</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="320" time="09.19.04" ref="0">also, chat replies tend to be very short and out of context, if you don't read the entire discussion</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="321" time="09.19.10" ref="318">yes, but the search is still for some specific words</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="322" time="09.19.35" ref="0">so the information not being continous is not a problem</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="323" time="09.19.36" ref="0">the searching system should avoid providing results which make the user read the entire discussion</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="324" time="09.22.20" ref="322">we should limit the search to a particular "sub-tree" of the conversation...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="325" time="09.22.32" ref="0">or display a sub-tree of the conversation...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="326" time="09.22.59" ref="325">We could do that..</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="327" time="09.23.27" ref="0">Do we have it all covered then ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="328" time="09.23.33" ref="324">I believe so</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="329" time="09.23.41" ref="0">we have organization of the data</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="330" time="09.23.48" ref="0">decided on</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="331" time="09.23.59" ref="0">we have also covered the way data is being updated</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="332" time="09.24.16" ref="0">and how updates are being pushed to the users</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="333" time="09.24.27" ref="0">who want to follow the content</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="334" time="09.24.38" ref="0">and we also covered searching and retrieving information</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="335" time="09.24.48" ref="0">in our storage</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="336" time="09.24.56" ref="0">and logging of instant chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="337" time="09.25.12" ref="336">do you have something else in mind?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="338" time="09.25.26" ref="0">I believe we have covered mostly everything</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="339" time="09.25.42" ref="0">that would make a great initial product</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="340" time="09.25.46" ref="0">All right then, let's get to work :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="341" time="09.25.47" ref="0">which integrates everything</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="342" time="09.25.56" ref="0">in order to make use properly of all the technologies our companies implement</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="343" time="09.26.09" ref="0">time to get to work now</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="344" time="09.26.11" ref="0">indeed</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="345" time="09.26.20" ref="0">it was a pleasure having this discussion with you</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="346" time="09.26.30" ref="342">And most important, to provide the best solution to web based collaboration</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="347" time="09.26.43" ref="0">our companies can do this</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="348" time="09.26.48" ref="0">if we work together</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="349" time="09.27.02" ref="0">Then we have it all settled.</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="350" time="09.27.27" ref="345">ok, nice talking with you</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="351" time="09.27.45" ref="0">thank you all for being here</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="352" time="09.28.24" ref="351">Good bye all</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="353" time="09.28.31" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="354" time="09.28.35" ref="0">bye</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="355" time="09.28.42" ref="0">Goodbye</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="356" time="09.28.54" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="357" time="09.28.59" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
		</Body>
	</Dialog>
