	<Dialog team="45">
		<Participants/>
		<Topics/>
		<Body>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="1" time="11.34.54" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="2" time="11.37.33" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="3" time="11.39.56" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="4" time="11.40.45" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
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			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="5" time="11.41.03" ref="0">Hi guys</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="6" time="11.41.09" ref="0">Hello</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="7" time="11.41.26" ref="0">hello</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="8" time="11.41.32" ref="0">I have the chat application</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="9" time="11.42.09" ref="0">I must sell you myForum 1.0beta3</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="10" time="11.42.14" ref="0">hello</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="11" time="11.42.24" ref="0">finally we have all found the time to talk</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="12" time="11.42.39" ref="0">it was so hard</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="13" time="11.43.18" ref="0">you could say that</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="14" time="11.43.19" ref="0">I think the chatapp is best suited for communication</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="15" time="11.43.53" ref="0">the information is communicated instantly</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="16" time="11.44.18" ref="0">before entering the subject I think we should all consider the context on which we are discussing the 4 technologies</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="17" time="11.44.53" ref="0">don't you think so?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="18" time="11.46.04" ref="0">well, it's all about communiction</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="19" time="11.46.23" ref="0">exchanging information</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="20" time="11.46.35" ref="0">in a community</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="21" time="11.46.46" ref="0">and/or organization</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="22" time="11.47.29" ref="0">well a forum can do that, very well, i think</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="23" time="11.48.14" ref="0">yes... but a forum can be slow</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="24" time="11.48.22" ref="18">yes, true, but we could be talking about an organization internal application, or web site, or something else</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="25" time="11.48.26" ref="20">it has user based authentication, so not everyone can access it</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="26" time="11.49.02" ref="0">maybe an elearning application</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="27" time="11.52.11" ref="0">chat has authentication too</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="28" time="11.52.51" ref="27">yes, it has; but forums can be moderated</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="29" time="11.53.32" ref="0">another nice feature of forums is that you can leave attachment</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="30" time="11.53.32" ref="28">so can chats can be moderated as well</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="31" time="11.54.28" ref="30">i'm sorry, i cannot agree with you. chats must be real-time ..</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="32" time="11.54.50" ref="29">chats can allow you to send files as well.. moreover, you can send your voice, and video</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="33" time="11.55.46" ref="32">and they can have other tools like this whiteboard that allow users a great deal of interactivity</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="34" time="11.56.19" ref="0">forums can be browsed; you can see what people talked..</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="35" time="11.56.44" ref="0">but can send a file to a group of users?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="36" time="11.57.18" ref="34">chats can be logged, especially and the advanced ones allow you to see references</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="37" time="11.57.50" ref="35">that can be easily implemented, its the customer's choice</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="38" time="11.58.23" ref="0">i think that is usefull because you can see imeddiatly the other opinions</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="39" time="11.58.47" ref="0">about that, what happens to the files that you share after the chat is over? can it still be accessible after that?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="40" time="11.59.23" ref="0">and also a list is better than this</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="41" time="12.00.29" ref="39">tha chat server can create some hard links to those attachments and store them</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="42" time="12.01.28" ref="41">it can be done; logs and stored attachments, but then it would be much more like a forum :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="43" time="12.02.01" ref="42">only that it would be real time-ish</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="44" time="12.03.48" ref="43">so, if you are on a forum, and everyone interested on the subject is too, you have a chat ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="45" time="12.04.59" ref="44">if you have a forum, you've already made the wrong choice</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="46" time="12.05.17" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="47" time="12.07.57" ref="0">blog use free space for photos and other types of folders</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="48" time="12.09.09" ref="0">joins the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="49" time="12.09.22" ref="0">well .... (#user3#) has left/ joins...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="50" time="12.10.30" ref="0">this is a good example of the stability of a chat application</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="51" time="12.11.34" ref="0">sorry guys, I was dropped off</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="52" time="12.12.00" ref="50">a workaround can be done to prevent this.. like saving the logs on the server and serving them to the users when logging bak in</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="53" time="12.12.48" ref="52">but what about if you want to find some information in a previous discussion?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="54" time="12.13.06" ref="52">in a chat or in a forum?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="55" time="12.13.06" ref="52">it can be done... but if there is a lot to display ?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="56" time="12.13.10" ref="0">some facilities offered by blog are:filtre SPAM,search integral text</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="57" time="12.13.53" ref="54">it's a feature of forums !</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="58" time="12.13.58" ref="55">i think wiki is the best choice here, you can easily find information and it is very well structured</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="59" time="12.14.47" ref="0">i think you all agree on this</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="60" time="12.14.54" ref="55">you can request the server only to give you only certain messages</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="61" time="12.15.22" ref="60">you have no idea which are those</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="62" time="12.15.30" ref="61">:D</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="63" time="12.15.55" ref="0">so, you don't know what to request</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="64" time="12.15.59" ref="0">for</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="65" time="12.16.09" ref="61">for example only the last 10 messages, or only the messages by userX</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="66" time="12.16.26" ref="0">i agree, searches can be done on all of the 4 situations...in which of the 4 you can be found more easily?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="67" time="12.16.43" ref="58">it's well structured, but it's more article oriented</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="68" time="12.17.47" ref="0">a variety of templates in witch u can use the aspects of your site....</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="69" time="12.17.51" ref="58">less user oriented</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="70" time="12.18.42" ref="67">but this is exactly what you want; you want some information regaring a specific topic</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="71" time="12.18.57" ref="68">templates are just eye candy...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="72" time="12.19.39" ref="0">interface administration very simple with visual editor with example WORD</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="73" time="12.19.49" ref="70">maybe you want to know what other people think about the topic... so choose forum</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="74" time="12.20.11" ref="70">and besides that ionformation, wiki also offers you the possibility to put a lot of related link</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="75" time="12.21.58" ref="0">with forums you can get an answer to your question from a person who is not online at the moment; cahts cannot do that</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="76" time="12.22.09" ref="73">in wiki, as everybody has part in its creation, through adding information to the subject, we can see a global point of view, which is more usefull</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="77" time="12.22.22" ref="75">you can leave them an offline message</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="78" time="12.22.58" ref="77">"chat is realtime" else... is not a chat</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="79" time="12.24.16" ref="78">true, further more, if you need a user opinion, we need to know that person before, to know its user id</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="80" time="12.24.32" ref="78">let me ask you something.. how many people you know have an instant messanging account and how mayn use forums? chats have a far greater social dimension</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="81" time="12.25.10" ref="0">well.. we should think of a whole new concept of communication software which correct the problems of all our product</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="82" time="12.25.50" ref="81">i think this is a great idea</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="83" time="12.26.06" ref="80">social dimension: but the answer to your problems ? are you sure is in you list ?!</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="84" time="12.26.10" ref="0">so...which are the strong aspects in each situation?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="85" time="12.26.32" ref="0">must keep an history of messages</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="86" time="12.27.03" ref="0">to be able to store attacments</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="87" time="12.28.25" ref="0">the best way to integrate all these is through a web/java interface</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="88" time="12.28.27" ref="86">and chats can not be used as a global resourse...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="89" time="12.29.03" ref="0">users who are online at the same time can change impressions realtime</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="90" time="12.29.28" ref="89">and that's about all it si which chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="91" time="12.29.44" ref="88">they can be used by users to ask qustions to seniors in the group or organization</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="92" time="12.30.30" ref="88">relevant ideas from the chats can be compiled in a wiki</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="93" time="12.31.35" ref="0">every message must have the possibility to be reedited or completed</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="94" time="12.31.46" ref="92">totaly agree, so on a wiki, you do not have to go through all the chat talk, we read only the main idea</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="95" time="12.31.59" ref="92">and the wiki can refer to the chat logs</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="96" time="12.32.59" ref="95">so you are saying that all of the 4 methods are somehow complementary?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="97" time="12.33.24" ref="0">well, of course :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="98" time="12.33.37" ref="96">well, i guess they can converge into a single app</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="99" time="12.33.48" ref="95">it would be great to have the best from all of them</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="100" time="12.34.17" ref="0">i'm not quite sure if it would be really useful</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="101" time="12.34.33" ref="0">the real-time-ishness of a chat can be added to a forum via AJAX fro example</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="102" time="12.35.03" ref="101">think of gmail and how it updates an email thread with incoming messages</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="103" time="12.35.48" ref="102">that's what ajax does... reads from a server in background, whitout the need to refresh</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="104" time="12.36.14" ref="0">i think it would be great if you could have a forum for each wiki topic</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="105" time="12.36.14" ref="101">you're right</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="106" time="12.36.54" ref="101">i suppose the same thing could be done with wikis too... real-time modifications, with possibility to revert.. but things shoudl be moderated, otherwise there would be a mess...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="107" time="12.37.40" ref="104">i think there already is such a feature.. isn't it the talk page in a wiki?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="108" time="12.37.51" ref="106">it is almost inpossible to moderate in realtime a huge database like a wiki is</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="109" time="12.38.13" ref="108">that's true</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="110" time="12.40.55" ref="107">i guess you are right...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="111" time="12.42.21" ref="0">blog is users comments</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="112" time="12.43.02" ref="111">yes... thay can make comments on wiki-like articles or posts</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="113" time="12.44.17" ref="0">so our envisioned application woul dhave the real-time-ishness of chats</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="114" time="12.44.53" ref="0">moderation like forums</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="115" time="12.45.17" ref="0">also attachment capability</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="116" time="12.45.19" ref="0">search features</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="117" time="12.45.25" ref="113">a fell structured data base, like wiki</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="118" time="12.45.43" ref="0">the comments in the blog i can see them after a long period</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="119" time="12.46.04" ref="0">also a better tree-like navigation through articles, better than wiki's categories</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="120" time="12.46.25" ref="119">more akin to forums</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="121" time="12.46.37" ref="120">that have subforums and like</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="122" time="12.47.28" ref="118">and yes, the user should be able to add coments</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="123" time="12.47.58" ref="0">in blogs it comment the articles</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="124" time="12.48.41" ref="122">also it should have the possibility to related to other articles</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="125" time="12.49.15" ref="124">that's a wiki feature ;)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="126" time="12.49.58" ref="125">forums can do that too; even the chats :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="127" time="12.50.03" ref="125">yes...a feature that sould be included in the new application</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="128" time="12.50.38" ref="126">can you refere to other chat thread?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="129" time="12.51.16" ref="0">look at the arrows in concertChat :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="130" time="12.51.42" ref="0">any user which is in this blog can also have his own blog</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="131" time="12.52.59" ref="129">i see only references to lines in the same chat thread, but what about pointing to a line in group44 chat?</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="132" time="12.53.20" ref="130">you mean every user in this system can have his wown little blog</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="133" time="12.55.05" ref="0">so..... let's get to work, now that we know what our application must do</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="134" time="12.55.28" ref="133">but first...let's take a nap :)</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="135" time="12.55.36" ref="0">ok, so this qould be a great app...</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="136" time="12.55.53" ref="0">bye-bye !</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="137" time="12.56.04" ref="134">every great thing starts with a great nap</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user2#)">
				<Utterance genid="138" time="12.56.19" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="139" time="12.56.37" ref="0">great ideas put forward</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="140" time="12.57.14" ref="0">hope to join in on other ocasions too</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="141" time="12.57.16" ref="0">bye bye</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user0#)">
				<Utterance genid="142" time="12.57.25" ref="0">bye bye</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user3#)">
				<Utterance genid="143" time="12.57.30" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
			<Turn nickname="(#user1#)">
				<Utterance genid="144" time="12.58.03" ref="0">leaves the room</Utterance>
			</Turn>
		</Body>
	</Dialog>
